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Leafs Accquire McCabe and Lafferty

Started by Deebo, February 27, 2023, 01:27:04 PM

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Bill33

Meh. If giving up yet another first rounder, I'd expect to get players that appreciably improve the team. I'm not sure that either of these guys move the needle much at all.

Kaberle15

Quote from: Arn on February 27, 2023, 01:44:01 PMAll my best Leafs playoff memories involve a McCabe on the blue line.
Now Get a Kaberle too!
Go Leafs Go!!!

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:02:32 PMMeh. If giving up yet another first rounder, I'd expect to get players that appreciably improve the team. I'm not sure that either of these guys move the needle much at all.
McCabe is a 2nd pairing D man. They're not cheap and the Leafs got him at half retained for 2 more years at 2M. Leafs D just got a lot better because Muzz left a pretty big hole.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 27, 2023, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:02:32 PMMeh. If giving up yet another first rounder, I'd expect to get players that appreciably improve the team. I'm not sure that either of these guys move the needle much at all.
McCabe is a 2nd pairing D man. They're not cheap and the Leafs got him at half retained for 2 more years at 2M. Leafs D just got a lot better because Muzz left a pretty big hole.

Leafs really needed someone to fill that 2LD hole that Muzzin left. Giordano's a warrior, but at his age it's questionable if he's really best suited for that spot this season, and even most questionable if he can do it consistently next season. Sandin unfortunately just hasn't proven he can do it either and the Leafs aren't in a position to wait for him.


Bill33

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 27, 2023, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 27, 2023, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:02:32 PMMeh. If giving up yet another first rounder, I'd expect to get players that appreciably improve the team. I'm not sure that either of these guys move the needle much at all.
McCabe is a 2nd pairing D man. They're not cheap and the Leafs got him at half retained for 2 more years at 2M. Leafs D just got a lot better because Muzz left a pretty big hole.

Leafs really needed someone to fill that 2LD hole that Muzzin left. Giordano's a warrior, but at his age it's questionable if he's really best suited for that spot this season, and even most questionable if he can do it consistently next season. Sandin unfortunately just hasn't proven he can do it either and the Leafs aren't in a position to wait for him.

I'll see how it nets out before getting too negative, but guys with averagish stats playing high pairings on shit teams for their careers don't necessarily translate to equal placement on good teams.

Kaberle15

I am more than ok with this and the RoR/Acciari trade.

Look at the price that the Lightning just paid for Jeannot, or NJ on the Meier.

Dubas did all that and he kept all Leafs Prospects.

This is it, is do or die.
Go Leafs Go!!!

herman

This is kind of what I was somewhat hoping for but wasn't sure if we could foot the bill. I am looking forward to the tough roster move that will follow (in which we have no leverage); pretty sure it's Kerfoot going home and hopefully without a sweetener.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Kaberle15

Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:13:47 PMI'll see how it nets out before getting too negative, but guys with averagish stats playing high pairings on shit teams for their careers don't necessarily translate to equal placement on good teams.

Lets pick Ulmark for example, he was outstanding with a crap Buffalo team, Boston with a great D system, transformed him in a (more) dominant goalie.
Go Leafs Go!!!

Bender

Quote from: Kaberle15 on February 27, 2023, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:13:47 PMI'll see how it nets out before getting too negative, but guys with averagish stats playing high pairings on shit teams for their careers don't necessarily translate to equal placement on good teams.

Lets pick Ulmark for example, he was outstanding with a crap Buffalo team, Boston with a great D system, transformed him in a (more) dominant goalie.

Or even just look at Hagel!!
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

bustaheims

Quote from: Bill33 on February 27, 2023, 02:13:47 PMI'll see how it nets out before getting too negative, but guys with averagish stats playing high pairings on shit teams for their careers don't necessarily translate to equal placement on good teams.

There's truth in that, but he won't be playing as difficult a role in Toronto as he did in Chicago. So, it won't really be equal placement. He won't be expected to carry his pairing as much as he was when playing with Caleb Jones. Defensive guys also usually translate their abilities much better from bad teams to good team than the equivalent offensive guys.

Bottom line is, with the two big trades, the Leafs are now a lot harder to play against than they were a few weeks ago.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

herman

https://www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2022/10/06/sam-lafferty-ready-for-an-increased-role-with-the-blackhawks/

Sam Lafferty was traded for Nylander (Alex) previously, and had played as defenseman as well. Finally getting some speed back onto the roster.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

CarltonTheBear


herman

Quote from: bustaheims on February 27, 2023, 02:22:23 PMThere's truth in that, but he won't be playing as difficult a role in Toronto as he did in Chicago. So, it won't really be equal placement. He won't be expected to carry his pairing as much as he was when playing with Caleb Jones. Defensive guys also usually translate their abilities much better from bad teams to good team than the equivalent offensive guys.

This. Especially for a defenseman coming into a group with better forward support.
https://twitter.com/ShutdownLine/status/1630287678166933512
This also suggests Ron Hainsey 2.0, for Rielly, which should free up Brodie to prop up another pair.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Britishbulldog

I really like the 2 trades.  Those 4 players are solid and the Chicago trade isn't for rentals!  Wow! 

If RoR and Cookie are will to re-sign with the Leafs then this is even a GREATER win for Dubas and us.
All The Best
Dan