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Horvat to NYI

Started by bustaheims, January 30, 2023, 05:49:03 PM

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Bender

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2023, 02:33:52 PMHonestly I do feel like that's kind of how deals generally go down. I think the idea that GM's go back and forth with multiple teams "shopping" deals and saying stuff like "this is what Team A is offering can you beat that" doesn't really happen.

Alan Walsh literally corroborated this.
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iwas11in67

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on January 31, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: iwas11in67 on January 31, 2023, 04:15:30 PMI'm not too familiar with Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty. What would the Leaf equivalent be?

Leafs don't really have a comparable for Beauvillier. He's a 25-year old former 28th overall pick who's kinda gone up and down in his career as a middle-6 winger. At this point it's arguable that he's not even really earning his $4.15mil AAV. He's almost an older and more expensive version of Kapanen when the Leafs dealt him away.

Raty was picked 52nd overall in 2021 but many thought he'd go in the 1st round. His progression as a prospect seems to be going fine but the ceiling there isn't exactly high. Some potential as a 2nd line guy but more realistically he's a 3C if all goes well. So probably Roni Hirvonen-ish (picked 59th overall '20) with less pre-draft hype.

Thanks CTB. I read else where that the closest comparitive was Kerfoot and Niemia(SP)

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: iwas11in67 on February 01, 2023, 11:48:12 AMThanks CTB. I read else where that the closest comparitive was Kerfoot and Niemia(SP)

I was maybe a little hype focused on thinking about a forward so yeah Niemela is probably closer in terms of overall value. Kerfoot really isn't a fair comparison since he's 3 years older and of course a pending UFA. They are similar in that they're both decent middle-6 options right now but Vancouver is likely hoping that Beauvillier still has a chance to blossom a little more offensively in a non-Islanders environment while with Kerfoot what you see is what you get at this point.


Bill_Berg

I feel like the Islanders have done well here. Both trade and signing.

bustaheims

If he can keep up production close to what he has this season, it's a hood deal. Otherwise, that's a good chunk of cap committed to a guy who typically is a 60ish point producer.
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L K

Moneypuck has his expected goals at 17.8 while he actually has 31 goals right now.  He's also going to an organization that suppresses offense.  I can't see his offensive production being helped by playing in New York.

I don't think it's that terrible of a deal though. 

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on February 05, 2023, 03:26:05 PMIf he can keep up production close to what he has this season, it's a hood deal. Otherwise, that's a good chunk of cap committed to a guy who typically is a 60ish point producer.

So long as 30 of those points are consistently goals, I'm not sure this is that far off what a youngish 60 point a year Centre would be expected to get on the UFA market.
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herman

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Bender

Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2023, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 05, 2023, 03:26:05 PMIf he can keep up production close to what he has this season, it's a hood deal. Otherwise, that's a good chunk of cap committed to a guy who typically is a 60ish point producer.

So long as 30 of those points are consistently goals, I'm not sure this is that far off what a youngish 60 point a year Centre would be expected to get on the UFA market.

Yeah I feel like they definitely got the best player in the deal and is still young and productive and really didn't give up a ton to get him. No guarantee you get a guy of this caliber as a UFA either. I think Vancouver looks pretty bad after this deal tbh...
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CarltonTheBear

Interesting that they're going to at least start with Barzal moving to the wing to play with Horvat. Wonder if that finally gets him going again offensively.