Muzzin and Brodie

[Guilt Trip]

The only theory I have as to why they hung on to Muzzin so tightly (besides liking him) was he wouldn't pass the physical... Really stings seeing as how Durzi is progressing.

You have to give something up to get something good and Muzz was def good. Sure it would be nice to still have Durzi but I think both teams win that deal. He wouldn't have played if he didn't pass his physical.

[Bender]

The only theory I have as to why they hung on to Muzzin so tightly (besides liking him) was he wouldn't pass the physical... Really stings seeing as how Durzi is progressing.

You have to give something up to get something good and Muzz was def good. Sure it would be nice to still have Durzi but I think both teams win that deal. He wouldn't have played if he didn't pass his physical.

He was good when healthy earlier on, but I just feel like we've really hitched our wagon on hoping guys that have an injury or inconsistency history don't have injuries or inconsistency in order to get a reasonable cap hit. I also think a number of people were worried about Muzzin's injury history when he signed the extension, and I've been in the trade Muzzin camp for a while - he hasn't been consistent even when healthy lately (except 7 games in the playoffs, but why are we basing our decision on 7 games?)

I feel for Muzzin as a player and as a person, but from a roster management perspective we let a young defenseman go when we need as many young, cheap players to fill out our rosters as possible, especially with less miles on the body. The Leafs are getting older and slower, and seeing assets disappear year after year either fixing mistakes or own rentaling or overspending on pending UFAs at the deadline... It's frustrating.

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1592226895231614977
https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1592226578750402561
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1592226557187493888
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[Nik]

I feel for Muzzin as a player and as a person, but from a roster management perspective we let a young defenseman go when we need as many young, cheap players to fill out our rosters as possible, especially with less miles on the body. The Leafs are getting older and slower, and seeing assets disappear year after year either fixing mistakes or own rentaling or overspending on pending UFAs at the deadline... It's frustrating.

I appreciate where you're coming from but I think, to some extent, it's misguided here. When the Muzzin trade happened nobody was like "Hey, we have a fun young team, let's wait until our young defensemen to develop before trying to make a deep push into the playoffs". They traded for Muzzin on the basis of trying to win and, while we know the results of that aren't what we wanted, I don't think the trade looks bad in hindsight just on that basis.

[bustaheims]

The only theory I have as to why they hung on to Muzzin so tightly (besides liking him) was he wouldn't pass the physical... Really stings seeing as how Durzi is progressing.

I think you're overthinking things here. It's likely much more simple than that - teams weren't willing to offer value the Leafs were willing to accept for Muzzin. The reasoning from the other teams isn't really important. The Leafs weren't willing to move him for less than they valued him.

It's likely as simple as this - other teams saw him as the Leafs trying to dump cap. The Leafs didn't see him that way. Hard to make a deal in that scenario.

[Arn]

I did a quick google. Dr Google always throws up the worst case scenario, but I think it's worth having the context.

Cervical spinal cord injuries often involve permanent complete or partial loss of sensory function , and many associated complications. As is the case with all injuries of the spinal cord, injuries located higher on the spine will be more severe, with high cervical spinal cord injury often being fatal.

Now, I always liked Muzzin. As a player and he seemed just a good all round dude.

I like that Dubas is talking about him as a person. I don't think we should be looking at him as an asset when it comes to an injury like that. It's about him and his family.

[Bill_Berg_is_less_sad]

The only theory I have as to why they hung on to Muzzin so tightly (besides liking him) was he wouldn't pass the physical... Really stings seeing as how Durzi is progressing.

You have to give something up to get something good and Muzz was def good. Sure it would be nice to still have Durzi but I think both teams win that deal. He wouldn't have played if he didn't pass his physical.

He was good when healthy earlier on, but I just feel like we've really hitched our wagon on hoping guys that have an injury or inconsistency history don't have injuries or inconsistency in order to get a reasonable cap hit. I also think a number of people were worried about Muzzin's injury history when he signed the extension, and I've been in the trade Muzzin camp for a while - he hasn't been consistent even when healthy lately (except 7 games in the playoffs, but why are we basing our decision on 7 games?)

I feel for Muzzin as a player and as a person, but from a roster management perspective we let a young defenseman go when we need as many young, cheap players to fill out our rosters as possible, especially with less miles on the body. The Leafs are getting older and slower, and seeing assets disappear year after year either fixing mistakes or own rentaling or overspending on pending UFAs at the deadline... It's frustrating.

I think they hitched their wagon on already having had playoff success by 2022.

[A Weekend at Bernier's]

I did a quick google. Dr Google always throws up the worst case scenario, but I think it's worth having the context.

Cervical spinal cord injuries often involve permanent complete or partial loss of sensory function , and many associated complications. As is the case with all injuries of the spinal cord, injuries located higher on the spine will be more severe, with high cervical spinal cord injury often being fatal.

Now, I always liked Muzzin. As a player and he seemed just a good all round dude.

I like that Dubas is talking about him as a person. I don't think we should be looking at him as an asset when it comes to an injury like that. It's about him and his family.

Well said, Arn.  I appreciate this sentiment.

[OldTimeHockey]

I feel for Muzzin as a player and as a person, but from a roster management perspective we let a young defenseman go when we need as many young, cheap players to fill out our rosters as possible, especially with less miles on the body. The Leafs are getting older and slower, and seeing assets disappear year after year either fixing mistakes or own rentaling or overspending on pending UFAs at the deadline... It's frustrating.

Durzi hadn't even played a game in the AHL yet when the trade was made. It occurred years ago and really, he's only playing like a number 4 or 5 defensemen now. Good for him. But we have several 4 through 6 defensemen. The team needed a tough, shut down D and Muzzin was that guy. Management can't predict career threatening spinal injuries. Apparently fans can though.

[herman]

https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1628454741717012480

[Highlander]

I would say his career is over. He had a good run and I hope his injury doesn't affect his future health.

[Nik]

Good god, is that Luke Schenn's music?

[CarltonTheBear]

It sucks to see this happen to Muzzin, especially since he looked just about at the top of his game during playoffs last year. Defencemen like him as so rare. A tough, rugged, physical defencemen who is actually also good defensively. And not only that, can produce offence at a decent rate too. Since Barrie left the only defenceman other than Rielly to score at a 40-point pace was Muzzin in 20/21, and that was almost entirely even strength points too. The last Leafs defenceman like him was Robert Svehla, and he was 20 years ago now (jesus).

[Frank E]

It sucks to see this happen to Muzzin, especially since he looked just about at the top of his game during playoffs last year. Defencemen like him as so rare. A tough, rugged, physical defencemen who is actually also good defensively. And not only that, can produce offence at a decent rate too. Since Barrie left the only defenceman other than Rielly to score at a 40-point pace was Muzzin in 20/21, and that was almost entirely even strength points too. The last Leafs defenceman like him was Robert Svehla, and he was 20 years ago now (jesus).

ZBBM is a big Svehla guy, right?

I loved that guy.

[Nik]

It sucks to see this happen to Muzzin, especially since he looked just about at the top of his game during playoffs last year. Defencemen like him as so rare. A tough, rugged, physical defencemen who is actually also good defensively. And not only that, can produce offence at a decent rate too. Since Barrie left the only defenceman other than Rielly to score at a 40-point pace was Muzzin in 20/21, and that was almost entirely even strength points too. The last Leafs defenceman like him was Robert Svehla, and he was 20 years ago now (jesus).

ZBBM is a big Svehla guy, right?

I loved that guy.

I mean, he was no Yushkevich but whatever.