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Goaltenders: the pipeline of the guy between the pipes

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herman

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1638882509537656842
It seems a bit early to declare anything, but Woll is definitely worth a longer look in the NHL. We've seen goalies with good results on the Marlies suddenly sewer on the Leafs (partially due to being fed to the wolves on B2Bs by the coaching staff who made it known it was a schedule loss).

Here's the Curtis Sanford effect:

Quote"My first couple years here I spent reeling my game in, not allowing myself to be so...all over the place. Building a foundation. My whole life I was building my game. And then when I got to the pro level, I stripped it down. And now I'm building it back up again. Now that I know my game, I know my framework. And quickness is something I can add to it," Woll said.

Adding quickness to his game didn't come by accident: New Leafs goalie coach Curtis Sanford reinforced the need to rely more on Woll's eyes than his brain in games than he had in the past.

For Woll's first three AHL seasons as he posted an .890 save percentage, he was "trying to think my way through the game."

But now, he's trying to focus first on his seeing the game and letting his body follow. He doesn't ask himself as many questions during the game or bite on fakes the way he might have in the past. By not overthinking situations, he's no longer struggling to read shooters the way he did in his first three professional seasons.

"Now it's more about trusting my instincts and let my eyes tell me a story. It frees me up," Woll said.
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Zee

Quote from: herman on March 23, 2023, 09:02:03 AMhttps://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1638882509537656842
It seems a bit early to declare anything, but Woll is definitely worth a longer look in the NHL. We've seen goalies with good results on the Marlies suddenly sewer on the Leafs (partially due to being fed to the wolves on B2Bs by the coaching staff who made it known it was a schedule loss).

Here's the Curtis Sanford effect:

Quote"My first couple years here I spent reeling my game in, not allowing myself to be so...all over the place. Building a foundation. My whole life I was building my game. And then when I got to the pro level, I stripped it down. And now I'm building it back up again. Now that I know my game, I know my framework. And quickness is something I can add to it," Woll said.

Adding quickness to his game didn't come by accident: New Leafs goalie coach Curtis Sanford reinforced the need to rely more on Woll's eyes than his brain in games than he had in the past.

For Woll's first three AHL seasons as he posted an .890 save percentage, he was "trying to think my way through the game."

But now, he's trying to focus first on his seeing the game and letting his body follow. He doesn't ask himself as many questions during the game or bite on fakes the way he might have in the past. By not overthinking situations, he's no longer struggling to read shooters the way he did in his first three professional seasons.

"Now it's more about trusting my instincts and let my eyes tell me a story. It frees me up," Woll said.

Woll hasn't looked out of place through 7 career games over the last 2 seasons, the real test will come next year when I expect him to be the backup.  Let's see how he does, I'm rooting for the kid, a home grown Leafs goalie would be a great thing.

CarltonTheBear

I'm still wary of getting Spark'd again, but a capable back-up making only $766k would be huge for our cap situation the next couple of seasons.

herman

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2023, 09:55:56 AMI'm still wary of getting Spark'd again, but a capable back-up making only $766k would be huge for our cap situation the next couple of seasons.

Same. But Sparks was demonstrably sloppy, I mean athletic, and rebound-happy.

The waiver wire dance will be a bit tricky next season.
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Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2023, 09:55:56 AMI'm still wary of getting Spark'd again, but a capable back-up making only $766k would be huge for our cap situation the next couple of seasons.
I don't know if Woll can become a #1, I think he can, but I think he's different then Sparks who was more or less a scrambler.
I watched him live again last night and his game has evolved so much from previous years. His angles are great, his speed is surprising and he's not a busy goalie until scramble mode happens when there needs to be.
The only goal scored on him last night was off a 2nd rebound. He doesn't seem to bite on any moves on breakaways, he had a few, he waits for the player to tip his hand. You can tell he reads the puck well off a players stick as well. Kind of reminds me of a big Belfour. Technically very strong but also has great reaction speed. Like I said, he's very quick for a big guy.
Will it turn out? I hope and think it will. I think he's coming into his own right now. 28/29 last night in a SO loss.... 16-2-1, 2.20GAA, 930 SV% and he hasn't lost a game in regulation where the Marlies have scored a goal....fingers crossed lol.

L K

I think my bigger fear with Woll is going to be his health.  He just had some many issues that I'd be leery of him staying healthy but he seems like more of a positionally sound goaltender.

Sparks was all over the net.  Honestly not all that different from watching Mrazek in net last year.

Murray's inability to stay healthy makes me lean more towards keeping Samsonov and trying to move Murray but these last 12 games/the playoffs will probably be the best way to make an assessment of that.  What Samsonov would want in an extension might also play a role.  If we can get Samsonov and Woll in as a tandem for less than Murray's 4.6M that would go a long way to helping our forward depth with a lot of our bottom 6 needing to be rebuilt.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: L K on March 23, 2023, 11:18:00 AMI think my bigger fear with Woll is going to be his health.  He just had some many issues that I'd be leery of him staying healthy but he seems like more of a positionally sound goaltender.

Sparks was all over the net.  Honestly not all that different from watching Mrazek in net last year.

Murray's inability to stay healthy makes me lean more towards keeping Samsonov and trying to move Murray but these last 12 games/the playoffs will probably be the best way to make an assessment of that.  What Samsonov would want in an extension might also play a role.  If we can get Samsonov and Woll in as a tandem for less than Murray's 4.6M that would go a long way to helping our forward depth with a lot of our bottom 6 needing to be rebuilt.

Yeah, a Murray/Woll tandem next season is just a disaster waiting to happen with their injury history. Even if Murray plays this next stretch of games well I don't think they can keep him if the plan is for Woll to stay up next season.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2023, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: L K on March 23, 2023, 11:18:00 AMI think my bigger fear with Woll is going to be his health.  He just had some many issues that I'd be leery of him staying healthy but he seems like more of a positionally sound goaltender.

Sparks was all over the net.  Honestly not all that different from watching Mrazek in net last year.

Murray's inability to stay healthy makes me lean more towards keeping Samsonov and trying to move Murray but these last 12 games/the playoffs will probably be the best way to make an assessment of that.  What Samsonov would want in an extension might also play a role.  If we can get Samsonov and Woll in as a tandem for less than Murray's 4.6M that would go a long way to helping our forward depth with a lot of our bottom 6 needing to be rebuilt.

Yeah, a Murray/Woll tandem next season is just a disaster waiting to happen with their injury history. Even if Murray plays this next stretch of games well I don't think they can keep him if the plan is for Woll to stay up next season.
They can keep all 3 if need be. With Muzz on LTIR the Leafs will have 13.9M in space with a 16 man roster(Robertson/McMann/Woll on the roster). They will have options but let's see how this thing plays out this year before getting into who's coming back and all that. Carrying Woll only adds 767K.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 23, 2023, 03:14:48 PMThey can keep all 3 if need be. With Muzz on LTIR the Leafs will have 13.9M in space with a 16 man roster(Robertson/McMann/Woll on the roster). They will have options but let's see how this thing plays out this year before getting into who's coming back and all that. Carrying Woll only adds 767K.

Sure. Possible but very, very unlikely. Carrying 3 goalies is usually a nightmare situation for teams (could say the same about carrying 9 defencemen and yet here we are though I guess).

Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 23, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 23, 2023, 03:14:48 PMThey can keep all 3 if need be. With Muzz on LTIR the Leafs will have 13.9M in space with a 16 man roster(Robertson/McMann/Woll on the roster). They will have options but let's see how this thing plays out this year before getting into who's coming back and all that. Carrying Woll only adds 767K.

Sure. Possible but very, very unlikely. Carrying 3 goalies is usually a nightmare situation for teams (could say the same about carrying 9 defencemen and yet here we are though I guess).
Def not ideal but Carolina has carried 3 all year. Chances are Murray will be going to be Robidas Island at some point next season.

bustaheims

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Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 23, 2023, 04:11:50 PMDef not ideal but Carolina has carried 3 all year. Chances are Murray will be going to be Robidas Island at some point next season.

Carolina's 3rd goalie spent large chunks of the season in the AHL when Andersen and Raanta were both healthy. He's only up now because Raanta is hurt again. They've only carried 3 healthy goalies for short stretches.
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herman

As of: April 17, 2023
PlayerContractLeafsMarliesGrowlersOther
Matt MurrayLeafs14-8-2 0.903
Ilya SamsonovLeafs27-10-5 0.919
Joseph WollLeafs6-1-0 0.93216-4-2 0.927
Erik KallgrenLeafs3-2-4 0.89810-9-3 0.883
Dennis HildebyLeafs0-1-0 0.849SHL: 11-9-0 0.918
Keith PetruzzelliLeafs13-8-2 0.9094-3-0 0.881
Artur AkhtyamovReserveVHL: 20-12-6 0.943
Vyacheslav PeksaReserveVHL: 13-19-6 0.921; MHL: 1-1-0 0.920
Dryden McKayMarlies1-0-1 0.88519-10-1 0.900
Luke CavallinMarlies24-9-1 0.917
Dylan FergusonReleased2-2-0 0.887

Hildeby played well in his Marlies stints, but the Marlies skaters were no-shows.
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herman

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