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Started by CarltonTheBear, August 11, 2022, 11:12:46 AM
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Quote from: Peter D. on January 19, 2023, 04:22:34 PMIt would have saved a whole lotta discussion for no reason if he simply wore it. On the other hand, I definitely won't vilify him for not doing so and sticking to his beliefs.
Quote from: Peter D. on January 19, 2023, 05:18:16 PMWell, I'd go as far to say I don't think these appreciation/recognition nights should exist in the first place. That's just me.
Quote from: Peter D. on January 19, 2023, 09:49:48 PMWell, when Rielly was accused of using a homophobic slur during a game -- when he clearly didn't -- it set off a huge firestorm. He had to sit through an interview the next day about it saying he will help the cause. You Can Play jumped in saying they were going to use it as a teaching mechanism for the players.
Quote from: Nik on January 19, 2023, 09:39:02 PMI can only speak for myself as a member of a minority group and say that if a team had a "Jewish Appreciation Night" and one player decided to sit out because he did not approve of Jews my reaction would not be "Ah good, more attention for the cause".
Quote from: Bender on January 20, 2023, 05:49:46 AMAlso as an aside, does anyone else find it so effed up that the precedent has been set to hide behind "religion" as a stance for not doing something in a professional sports league? Like what doors does this open now? I think everyone should take a knee at the next national anthem and say they're doing it on religious grounds in solidarity of whatever the case may be.
Quote from: Nik on January 20, 2023, 12:26:44 PMI appreciate the idea that you could trip these people up by trying to expose them as hypocrites but the people who are most loudly supporting Provorov have long since established they are fine with blatant hypocrisies.
Quote from: Wendel's Fist on January 20, 2023, 09:44:05 PMSo if there were a Trump fan appreciation night and some players chose to sit that one out, everybody here would be up in arms about that?Or would you be a hypocrite?
Quote from: Nik on January 20, 2023, 10:16:46 PMQuote from: Wendel's Fist on January 20, 2023, 09:44:05 PMSo if there were a Trump fan appreciation night and some players chose to sit that one out, everybody here would be up in arms about that?Or would you be a hypocrite?I can't speak for everyone obviously but it seems as though for most people here the issue is the specific stance Provorov took and the message therein, not that they had a problem with the concept of taking stances in general. If they judged someone differently for taking a different stance that would seem to be in keeping with the stated objection. For sure I raised the issue of there being a general expectation that people put their personal beliefs aside in the name of professionalism but I suppose I assumed people would know I meant that within reason. I used the example of a Mormon or Muslim player not objecting to alcohol ads in a stadium but I would clearly think differently, and again I think this is pretty reasonable, if the team instead had a "Everyone on the team has to chug a six pack" night.
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