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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Nik on January 16, 2023, 05:10:37 PMSo this might not be the craziest story I've ever read but it's up there:

https://sinbin.vegas/robin-lehner-files-for-bankruptcy-due-to-ownership-of-exotic-snake-farm/

The headline felt like a standard "goalies are odd individuals" set-up to the story, but I gotta say I was not expecting that twist in the middle.

herman

#27 #TeamFasstholes

Nik


It'll be interesting to see if this story has any legs. Obviously the Flyers are largely irrelevant but all of the politics(which is a word I hesitate to use as this shouldn't be a political issue)d aside this seems to sort of be violating what we're always told is the cardinal sin for a hockey player of going against the team and creating a distraction.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Sounds like this was a religious beliefs issues (He's Russian Orthodox) - which, while I understand the pressure there, I don't agree with. Is it really that big a deal to put on a sweater and skate around the ice for a bit? I mean, one of the core principles of Christianity is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Also, the whole "love thy neighbour" thing and not passing judgment on others and such. Seems to me like he's going against more of the principles of his religion than he's abiding by.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on January 18, 2023, 11:15:24 AMSounds like this was a religious beliefs issues (He's Russian Orthodox) - which, while I understand the pressure there, I don't agree with. Is it really that big a deal to put on a sweater and skate around the ice for a bit? I mean, one of the core principles of Christianity is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Also, the whole "love thy neighbour" thing and not passing judgment on others and such. Seems to me like he's going against more of the principles of his religion than he's abiding by.

Even beyond that I think we all sort of acknowledge that whatever respect we may have for someone's religious beliefs there's an expectation of putting them aside if you're pursuing something like hockey as a career. Like, there are various faiths that prohibit alcohol drinking with much clearer theological justification than what we're dealing with here but I think we all agree that if a Mormon or Muslim player refused, say, to play hockey if there were any advertisements for beer in the stadium we'd effectively think that player was not being professional.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

L K

I grew up Ukranian Orthodox (I'm very much not anymore), its ever so subtly more progressive than Russian Orthodox but not by much.  Homophobia is pretty rampant within the Orthodox Church and it has been drastically worse in the Russian Orthodox Church as they have become an increasingly more political branch of the Putin regime.  So it's not surprising that Provorov is a homophobic donkey.

I do find it funny that the NHL backed down on a diversity supported job expo in Florida when DeSantis put on his Trump mask this week.  The NHL came out today tacitly supporting Provorov's ability to support this behaviour....and his head coach was one of the idiots screaming about professionalism around players kneeling for the National anthem (Torts did backtrack on it later).

The NHL is for everyone....you know except for when we actually need to show it.

leafsjunkie

I still wonder why people think there is a god (which one? humans have invented thousands) when there has been zero empirical evidence ever provided for any of those claims. Then they use this and their religious beliefs and doctrine to do and say real crappy things to others. It blows my mind tbh.

Dappleganger

Quote from: bustaheims on January 18, 2023, 11:15:24 AMSounds like this was a religious beliefs issues (He's Russian Orthodox) - which, while I understand the pressure there, I don't agree with. Is it really that big a deal to put on a sweater and skate around the ice for a bit? I mean, one of the core principles of Christianity is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Also, the whole "love thy neighbour" thing and not passing judgment on others and such. Seems to me like he's going against more of the principles of his religion than he's abiding by.

Provorov should abstain from playing in the NHL until the NHL denounces their sports betting partnerships, imo.
 

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

You guys forget that here in the US our "Supreme" Court is quite adept at inventing excuses for religious people to use their "sincerely held beliefs" to discriminate against anyone they don't like. 

It's "freedom of religion"!  Doncha see

Bullfrog

Quote from: Nik on January 18, 2023, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on January 18, 2023, 11:15:24 AMSounds like this was a religious beliefs issues (He's Russian Orthodox) - which, while I understand the pressure there, I don't agree with. Is it really that big a deal to put on a sweater and skate around the ice for a bit? I mean, one of the core principles of Christianity is to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Also, the whole "love thy neighbour" thing and not passing judgment on others and such. Seems to me like he's going against more of the principles of his religion than he's abiding by.

Even beyond that I think we all sort of acknowledge that whatever respect we may have for someone's religious beliefs there's an expectation of putting them aside if you're pursuing something like hockey as a career. Like, there are various faiths that prohibit alcohol drinking with much clearer theological justification than what we're dealing with here but I think we all agree that if a Mormon or Muslim player refused, say, to play hockey if there were any advertisements for beer in the stadium we'd effectively think that player was not being professional.

This is my point of view as well. I hope not to offend anyone here, but I had a similar experience to the alcohol example. I used to compete in martial arts tournaments and many of those practitioners were Muslim. Most would refuse to bow to their opponents or judges based on the teaching of the Koran. I didn't really care, but some people would get irate due to the perceived slight. While I understand the strongly held conviction that one should not bow to any other than Allah, it seemed like it'd be perfectly ok in the guise of sportsmanship.

Bender

"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Significantly Insignificant

I'm less shocked that Provonov didn't wear the jersey, and more shocked that D'Angelo did.
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan

Arn

Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on January 19, 2023, 08:53:17 AMI'm less shocked that Provonov didn't wear the jersey, and more shocked that D'Angelo did.

I think the least shocking thing for me is Tortorella supporting Provorov.
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Peter D.

It would have saved a whole lotta discussion for no reason if he simply wore it.  On the other hand, I definitely won't vilify him for not doing so and sticking to his beliefs.

L K

Provorov jerseys sold out on NHL.com and Fanatics.  The inbreds found their hockey champion.