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Tkachuk traded to FLA for Huberdeau+

Started by CarltonTheBear, July 22, 2022, 11:17:27 PM

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CarltonTheBear

Two cap dumps (Tarasenko rebounded well and all but I still think if the Blues needed to move him it'd be Pacioretty-style at this point) and (probably) a 1st rounder.

bustaheims

If that was their offer, they clearly weren't that serious about acquiring him.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

bustaheims

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 24, 2022, 12:27:07 PM
Any time you can trade a player who doesn't want to be there for a much older player on an expiring contract who also doesn't want to be there, you gotta pull the trigger.

Initially, I thought this trade was so lopsided in Calgary's favour, but I honestly don't feel that way anymore. Huberdeau will be 30 at the end of this season. A star 30-year-old looking for a big long contract isn't the greatest asset to have, other than as trade material. In the absence of this trade, Florida almost certainly wouldn't have traded him this year, they certainly wouldn't have traded him at the deadline, and they risked losing him for nothing/being cap-unable to re-sign him at the end of the year. They flipped him, with other assets, for a superstar player 5 years younger signed long term.

If Calgary extends Huberdeau with a big long contract, they probably regret it in a few years. And if they trade him by the deadline (Weegar, too), they're getting more futures, including late 1st round picks. Which is fine, but in the end, they will have traded a current young superstar for a small bucket of moderately valuable assets that may help the team in a handful of years.

I don't know about that. I look at the key pieces of the deal, and I see Huberdeau as the most likely to be able to maintain his level of play. He's been a point/game center for 4 seasons now. If Calgary can sign him to a 5 year deal, they probably get god value out of that. For Tkachuk, the level he hit last season feels much more like an outlier.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Wally Kazoo

I think it's one of the great hockey trades of this era.
both teams trading for what they needed. Although I love Huberdeau in fantasy. I don't see him as  a player that plays the style of game that is conducive to playoff success. It takes a big pair of cojones to pull off a swap like that. I say Flames won trade however Panthers just got closer to a cup.

herman

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#BeBlessed #scumbag

Heroic Shrimp

Quote from: bustaheims on July 25, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 24, 2022, 12:27:07 PM
Any time you can trade a player who doesn't want to be there for a much older player on an expiring contract who also doesn't want to be there, you gotta pull the trigger.

Initially, I thought this trade was so lopsided in Calgary's favour, but I honestly don't feel that way anymore. Huberdeau will be 30 at the end of this season. A star 30-year-old looking for a big long contract isn't the greatest asset to have, other than as trade material. In the absence of this trade, Florida almost certainly wouldn't have traded him this year, they certainly wouldn't have traded him at the deadline, and they risked losing him for nothing/being cap-unable to re-sign him at the end of the year. They flipped him, with other assets, for a superstar player 5 years younger signed long term.

If Calgary extends Huberdeau with a big long contract, they probably regret it in a few years. And if they trade him by the deadline (Weegar, too), they're getting more futures, including late 1st round picks. Which is fine, but in the end, they will have traded a current young superstar for a small bucket of moderately valuable assets that may help the team in a handful of years.

I don't know about that. I look at the key pieces of the deal, and I see Huberdeau as the most likely to be able to maintain his level of play. He's been a point/game center for 4 seasons now. If Calgary can sign him to a 5 year deal, they probably get god value out of that. For Tkachuk, the level he hit last season feels much more like an outlier.

I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised to see him settling for a 5 year deal. If Calgary can get him for that term, then sure, that changes everything. I expect he's looking for a big, long contract.
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bustaheims

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 25, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised to see him settling for a 5 year deal. If Calgary can get him for that term, then sure, that changes everything. I expect he's looking for a big, long contract.

I have to imagine he's smart enough to recognize it's unlikely he gets a 7 or 8 year deal (not impossible, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it). If Calgary offers him good value for 5 or 6 years, I think he'll take it. Probably ends up with similar real dollars, too, as any contract he'd sign would have cheaper seasons tacked on to the end.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on July 25, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
He's been a point/game center for 4 seasons now.

Not that it especially matters but he's not a center.

And without wanting to talk poorly about a city I don't know very well, I'm a little inclined to think that the guy who's been in Miami the last 10 years may require some financial inducement to stay in Calgary over and above what he might get elsewhere.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Heroic Shrimp

Quote from: bustaheims on July 25, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 25, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised to see him settling for a 5 year deal. If Calgary can get him for that term, then sure, that changes everything. I expect he's looking for a big, long contract.

I have to imagine he's smart enough to recognize it's unlikely he gets a 7 or 8 year deal (not impossible, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it). If Calgary offers him good value for 5 or 6 years, I think he'll take it. Probably ends up with similar real dollars, too, as any contract he'd sign would have cheaper seasons tacked on to the end.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1555385101139288065
Supersize my Freedom Fries

Bender

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 04, 2022, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 25, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 25, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised to see him settling for a 5 year deal. If Calgary can get him for that term, then sure, that changes everything. I expect he's looking for a big, long contract.

I have to imagine he's smart enough to recognize it's unlikely he gets a 7 or 8 year deal (not impossible, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it). If Calgary offers him good value for 5 or 6 years, I think he'll take it. Probably ends up with similar real dollars, too, as any contract he'd sign would have cheaper seasons tacked on to the end.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1555385101139288065
That's a scary contract.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender


Nik

I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Peter D.

Calgary should take that deal all deal long, and good for them for doing so.

Zee

Quote from: Bender on August 04, 2022, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 04, 2022, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on July 25, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on July 25, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised to see him settling for a 5 year deal. If Calgary can get him for that term, then sure, that changes everything. I expect he's looking for a big, long contract.

I have to imagine he's smart enough to recognize it's unlikely he gets a 7 or 8 year deal (not impossible, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it). If Calgary offers him good value for 5 or 6 years, I think he'll take it. Probably ends up with similar real dollars, too, as any contract he'd sign would have cheaper seasons tacked on to the end.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1555385101139288065
That's a scary contract.

He'll be 30 when the contract starts, I'm sure he'll continue to improve all the way to 38!

herman

A finesse playmaker that doesn't rely on speed is probably the best bet to age more gracefully north of 30.
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag