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Started by Significantly Insignificant, June 23, 2022, 08:06:04 PM

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Groundskeeper Willie

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 12, 2022, 09:37:47 AMNow that the board has resigned, it should be time to move onto the next steps. They need to rebuild their trust with society. They can write all they want down on a "mission" page...But they need top to bottom buy in.

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I guess my longwinded, all over the place point is, the covering up and misuse of funds is only a small part of the problem that needs to be fixed. There is a repair needed in how we treat the "elite athlete". Call them on their BS. Punish them early when they are out of line...and at the end of it all, if they're still a POS, banish them from the sport.




It's not just Hockey Canada that needs changes.

Evander Kane, Tony D'Angelo, Jake Virtanen, Logan Mailloux etc all prove that it doesn't matter what you do, if you're a good enough player NHL teams will ignore just about anything and claim everybody gets a second (or third or fourth or fifth) chance.

Talented kids see that and know they can get away with little to no repercussions

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on October 12, 2022, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on October 12, 2022, 09:37:47 AMNow that the board has resigned, it should be time to move onto the next steps. They need to rebuild their trust with society. They can write all they want down on a "mission" page...But they need top to bottom buy in.

... snip...

I guess my longwinded, all over the place point is, the covering up and misuse of funds is only a small part of the problem that needs to be fixed. There is a repair needed in how we treat the "elite athlete". Call them on their BS. Punish them early when they are out of line...and at the end of it all, if they're still a POS, banish them from the sport.




It's not just Hockey Canada that needs changes.

Evander Kane, Tony D'Angelo, Jake Virtanen, Logan Mailloux etc all prove that it doesn't matter what you do, if you're a good enough player NHL teams will ignore just about anything and claim everybody gets a second (or third or fourth or fifth) chance.

Talented kids see that and know they can get away with little to no repercussions

Exactly my point.

Nik


I don't fundamentally disagree with either of the above posts but I do think that what you guys are really talking about there is addressing much larger issues in society that really aren't limited to hockey. Both in terms of how we just deal with sexual crime but also in the way capitalism often reduces us all to numbers and how the consequences we face for our actions is often linked to our financial resources or someone elses financial interest in shielding us.

It's good to keep that context in mind when we talk about this stuff but to some extent it can also be biting off more than can be realistically chewed. I don't think anyone really thinks that dropping the hammer on Hockey Canada fixes society at large but going hard after Hockey Canada is probably the most positive step you can take in that direction.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on October 14, 2022, 03:57:00 PMI don't fundamentally disagree with either of the above posts but I do think that what you guys are really talking about there is addressing much larger issues in society that really aren't limited to hockey. Both in terms of how we just deal with sexual crime but also in the way capitalism often reduces us all to numbers and how the consequences we face for our actions is often linked to our financial resources or someone elses financial interest in shielding us.

It's good to keep that context in mind when we talk about this stuff but to some extent it can also be biting off more than can be realistically chewed. I don't think anyone really thinks that dropping the hammer on Hockey Canada fixes society at large but going hard after Hockey Canada is probably the most positive step you can take in that direction.

Sure. But, my original point was that unless hometown associations and high schools change the way they prop up the "superstars", no matter what Hockey Canada says on a website, or how many board members step down, nothing will change with "hockey culture".

Significantly Insignificant

Quote from: Nik on October 14, 2022, 03:57:00 PMI don't fundamentally disagree with either of the above posts but I do think that what you guys are really talking about there is addressing much larger issues in society that really aren't limited to hockey. Both in terms of how we just deal with sexual crime but also in the way capitalism often reduces us all to numbers and how the consequences we face for our actions is often linked to our financial resources or someone elses financial interest in shielding us.

It's good to keep that context in mind when we talk about this stuff but to some extent it can also be biting off more than can be realistically chewed. I don't think anyone really thinks that dropping the hammer on Hockey Canada fixes society at large but going hard after Hockey Canada is probably the most positive step you can take in that direction.

I don't know if it's even capitalism.  I think that no matter the system, the people at the top of the system will abuse those at the bottom of it.
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan

Nik

Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on October 14, 2022, 09:18:27 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 14, 2022, 03:57:00 PMI don't fundamentally disagree with either of the above posts but I do think that what you guys are really talking about there is addressing much larger issues in society that really aren't limited to hockey. Both in terms of how we just deal with sexual crime but also in the way capitalism often reduces us all to numbers and how the consequences we face for our actions is often linked to our financial resources or someone elses financial interest in shielding us.

It's good to keep that context in mind when we talk about this stuff but to some extent it can also be biting off more than can be realistically chewed. I don't think anyone really thinks that dropping the hammer on Hockey Canada fixes society at large but going hard after Hockey Canada is probably the most positive step you can take in that direction.

I don't know if it's even capitalism.  I think that no matter the system, the people at the top of the system will abuse those at the bottom of it.

Obviously any system is subject to misbehaviours by bad actors but what's unique to Capitalism is that the value of the labour of these hockey players gets them protected by the actually powerful. People like Mailloux aren't given second chances because 18 year old junior hockey players have any real "power" or are on top of a system but just because NHL teams see them as assets that can add value and should be protected.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

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