Quick links:  Login  |  Sign up  |  Site Rules  |  Support TMLfans

2018 World Junior Allegations

Started by Significantly Insignificant, June 23, 2022, 07:06:04 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Peter D.

Big time sponsors pulling out left, right and centre.

L K

Trudeau saying maybe we need to create "Canada Hockey" is telling.   Everyone is against them.  I think it sucks for someone doing good work but at this point fire everyone and start from scratch

Nik


To say nothing of the fact that they, you know, seem to really enjoy covering up sexual assaults it does seem weird that the organization that purports to represent our country internationally has no actual affiliation with our government.

Say what you want about government responsibility but things like buying 3,000 dollar rings for Hockey Canada board members when we, as a nation, win a championship probably wouldn't happen if they were scrutinized and audited like a government department.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Arn

Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2022, 03:07:02 PMTo say nothing of the fact that they, you know, seem to really enjoy covering up sexual assaults it does seem weird that the organization that purports to represent our country internationally has no actual affiliation with our government.

Say what you want about government responsibility but things like buying 3,000 dollar rings for Hockey Canada board members when we, as a nation, win a championship probably wouldn't happen if they were scrutinized and audited like a government department.

Is there not a thing that sporting bodies have to be independent to be affiliated to international bodies? FIFA for example ban countries whose governments interfere with the running of their national football body

https://www.goal.com/en-ae/news/fifa-banning-football-federations-over-court-interference/1o7l7pw4slgwx1euictrz82wks

https://www.voanews.com/a/fifa-suspends-zimbabwe-kenya-for-government-interference/6459189.html

This second report re Zimbabwe is of interest considering the reasons for government getting involved.

I suspect IIHF may be the same?
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Rob

Quote from: Arn on October 06, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2022, 03:07:02 PMTo say nothing of the fact that they, you know, seem to really enjoy covering up sexual assaults it does seem weird that the organization that purports to represent our country internationally has no actual affiliation with our government.

Say what you want about government responsibility but things like buying 3,000 dollar rings for Hockey Canada board members when we, as a nation, win a championship probably wouldn't happen if they were scrutinized and audited like a government department.

Is there not a thing that sporting bodies have to be independent to be affiliated to international bodies? FIFA for example ban countries whose governments interfere with the running of their national football body

https://www.goal.com/en-ae/news/fifa-banning-football-federations-over-court-interference/1o7l7pw4slgwx1euictrz82wks

https://www.voanews.com/a/fifa-suspends-zimbabwe-kenya-for-government-interference/6459189.html

This second report re Zimbabwe is of interest considering the reasons for government getting involved.

I suspect IIHF may be the same?


"FIFA has maintained that the allegations should be investigated internally rather than by governments taking over."

Riiiiiiiiiight. 

Arn

Hey, not saying I agree with it, just why it might be the way it is.
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Nik

Quote from: Arn on October 06, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2022, 03:07:02 PMTo say nothing of the fact that they, you know, seem to really enjoy covering up sexual assaults it does seem weird that the organization that purports to represent our country internationally has no actual affiliation with our government.

Say what you want about government responsibility but things like buying 3,000 dollar rings for Hockey Canada board members when we, as a nation, win a championship probably wouldn't happen if they were scrutinized and audited like a government department.

Is there not a thing that sporting bodies have to be independent to be affiliated to international bodies? FIFA for example ban countries whose governments interfere with the running of their national football body

https://www.goal.com/en-ae/news/fifa-banning-football-federations-over-court-interference/1o7l7pw4slgwx1euictrz82wks

https://www.voanews.com/a/fifa-suspends-zimbabwe-kenya-for-government-interference/6459189.html

This second report re Zimbabwe is of interest considering the reasons for government getting involved.

I suspect IIHF may be the same?


I'm not sure but, quite frankly, given the issue being discussed here if the IIHF stood firm on a policy of no government oversight then I feel like the move there is to likewise disentangle yourself from the IIHF. These are sports tournaments, not Chinatown. If the international sporting world's policy is that sports bodies can't be policed by anyone but themselves we should reform the entirety of the whole crooked system.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Arn

Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 06, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: Nik on October 06, 2022, 03:07:02 PMTo say nothing of the fact that they, you know, seem to really enjoy covering up sexual assaults it does seem weird that the organization that purports to represent our country internationally has no actual affiliation with our government.

Say what you want about government responsibility but things like buying 3,000 dollar rings for Hockey Canada board members when we, as a nation, win a championship probably wouldn't happen if they were scrutinized and audited like a government department.

Is there not a thing that sporting bodies have to be independent to be affiliated to international bodies? FIFA for example ban countries whose governments interfere with the running of their national football body

https://www.goal.com/en-ae/news/fifa-banning-football-federations-over-court-interference/1o7l7pw4slgwx1euictrz82wks

https://www.voanews.com/a/fifa-suspends-zimbabwe-kenya-for-government-interference/6459189.html

This second report re Zimbabwe is of interest considering the reasons for government getting involved.

I suspect IIHF may be the same?


I'm not sure but, quite frankly, given the issue being discussed here if the IIHF stood firm on a policy of no government oversight then I feel like the move there is to likewise disentangle yourself from the IIHF. These are sports tournaments, not Chinatown. If the international sporting world's policy is that sports bodies can't be policed by anyone but themselves we should reform the entirety of the whole crooked system.

I had a quick scan of the IIHF bylaws and found this section

QuoteFull membership may be accorded to an ice hockey association that controls solely ice hockey, operates independently of any other organization, meets minimum participation standards as specified in Bylaw 3.1.1 and/or Bylaw 3.2.1 and has taken part in an IIHF Championship in the Senior Men or Women Category.

Emphasis my own but I think possibly that suggests no outside interference such as from governments.

I don't disagree with your point. FIFA, for example, have hardly covered themselves in glory in terms of corruption by government themselves.
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Nik

Quote from: Arn on October 06, 2022, 05:46:52 PMI had a quick scan of the IIHF bylaws and found this section

QuoteFull membership may be accorded to an ice hockey association that controls solely ice hockey, operates independently of any other organization, meets minimum participation standards as specified in Bylaw 3.1.1 and/or Bylaw 3.2.1 and has taken part in an IIHF Championship in the Senior Men or Women Category.

Emphasis my own but I think possibly that suggests no outside interference such as from governments.

I don't disagree with your point. FIFA, for example, have hardly covered themselves in glory in terms of corruption by government themselves.

I'm not overly inclined to get too granular about IIHF details but it seems like Hockey Canada already operates with organizations like Hockey Quebec and your various Provincial organizations(who are choosing to withold money kicked towards the national program) so the idea that they already operate independently of any other organization seems suspect even as is.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

OldTimeHockey

I kind of share the same feelings as Wickenheiser. I was never involved on the national stage but I've spent 41 of my 45 years involved in some capacity with the organization. From my youth playing days, to my current coaching days. It's a weird building of emotions towards the organization as a whole and it's tough to remove the hockey from the situation. But that's exactly what people have to do (and I think that's what she's saying about the lights always being on).

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

herman

Andrea Skinner falls on the sword for the board of Hockey Canada that hung her out to dry

https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1578899046726762496
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

L K

The problem is that it's not the chair that needs to resign but the entire board.  Yet another interim chair will take her place who was sitting on the same board that facilitated the corruption.  It's moving deck chairs until there is a clean sweep of the organization.

cw

I'm sure the reasoning was 'sweep it under the carpet to protect our image'
But when it comes to light, it is worse. The reality of what is happening proves it.
We've seen it in other scandals like this.

A bunch of sponsor money - much that would have trickled down to the kids - is gone.
It will take time to recover and they may never fully recover in our lifetime.

My grandmother was not keen on my father playing hockey.
My mother wasn't keen on me playing hockey. They were not alone.
Some parents have been handed an additional excuse.
Even at that level, this is bad for the game.

How many volunteers will they lose from this shame?
How many arenas or development projects are getting put on hold?
It won't be as fashionable for politicians to support it for some time to come.

How could any of these directors getting $3,000 championship rings look anyone in the eye?

They have hurt the sport. Period.

They need to clean house. If they can't do that, shut it down and start over.
It should be obvious to them by now.
Enough.