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Colorado Avalanche (C1) vs. Edmonton Oilers (P2)

Started by CarltonTheBear, May 30, 2022, 11:42:02 PM

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RedLeaf

I have a hard time seeing the Oilers win one game in this series. But maybe McDavid and their current momentum gets them one win. Avalanche in 4 or 5.
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bustaheims

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louisstamos

I have no idea how that was considered onside...


Guilt Trip

Quote from: louisstamos on May 31, 2022, 09:03:11 PM
I have no idea how that was considered onside...
Makar put the picking the zone but never entered, or touched the puck inside the zone until Nuke cleared. Good call.

Bender

I've only watched 10minutes and this is a horribly officiated game.
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RedLeaf

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Guilt Trip

If TBay gets past NYR and if either of these teams play like they did tonight, they'll 3 peat easily.


Derk

Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 31, 2022, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on May 31, 2022, 09:03:11 PM
I have no idea how that was considered onside...
Makar put the picking the zone but never entered, or touched the puck inside the zone until Nuke cleared. Good call.

Wow. Using the ol' delayed offside rule because he didn't have possession of the puck when crossing the blue line before his teammate got out of the zone. Nice. Well, not so much for the Oilers.

Nik


I feel like that goal sort of neatly puts together the fundamental debate about sports officiating in a nutshell. Nobody is seriously arguing that what Makar did violated the notion of what the Offsides rule is supposed to prevent, just maybe that it was possibly mis-timed by a fraction of a second that gave his team no real advantage but may have violated a strict interpretation of the rule as written.

Which, like I said, seems like the issue with officiating in general. When it's called against our team, we want the Refs to use common sense and discretion and take situation into account. When it's called against the other guys we're all strict orginalists.
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OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on June 01, 2022, 09:07:18 PM

I feel like that goal sort of neatly puts together the fundamental debate about sports officiating in a nutshell. Nobody is seriously arguing that what Makar did violated the notion of what the Offsides rule is supposed to prevent, just maybe that it was possibly mis-timed by a fraction of a second that gave his team no real advantage but may have violated a strict interpretation of the rule as written.

Which, like I said, seems like the issue with officiating in general. When it's called against our team, we want the Refs to use common sense and discretion and take situation into account. When it's called against the other guys we're all strict orginalists.

There's a difference between happening to not have the puck on your stick for a split second while the player leaves the zone (coincidentally), and standing at the blueline and not touching the puck while you observe your players leaving the zone.

Did the player leaving the zone have any consequence on the play? Well yes and no. Did that player contribute to the goal. No. Could the offside call have changed the course of the entire game? Most definitely.
To me, offsides are not a grey zone. Either you're offside or you're not. That player was offside no matter how many comparables Elliot Friedman shows to justify it.

Nik

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on June 01, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
To me, offsides are not a grey zone.

And, likewise, Brett Hull's skate was 100% in the crease.

My point wasn't that the technical definition for offsides allows for a grey zone, but rather that I just personally don't care much.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
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OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on June 01, 2022, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on June 01, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
To me, offsides are not a grey zone.

And, likewise, Brett Hull's skate was 100% in the crease.

My point wasn't that the technical definition for offsides allows for a grey zone, but rather that I just personally don't care much.

I don't care much either. I'd rather Colorado wins the series, but really, I have nothing vested in it.

A call like that is going to have players lifting their stick every time they enter the zone just incase the player skating out hasn't cleared yet. That's silly.