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2022 NHL Draft Discussion

Started by herman, May 25, 2022, 05:09:21 PM

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herman

https://theathletic.com/3341238/2022/06/01/maple-leafs-nhl-draft/
Not going to post the little scouting snips, but here's the list of players Kloke floats
QuoteRutger McGroarty, RW | USA U-18 NTDP | 6-foot-1, 200 pounds
Noah Ostlund, C | Djurgardens-Sweden Jr. | 5-foot-11, 163 pounds
Liam Ohgren, LW | Djurgardens-Sweden Jr. | 6-foot-0, 187 pounds
Owen Beck, C | Mississauga-OHL | 6-foot-0, 185 pounds
Filip Mesar, RW | Poprad-Slovakia | 5-foot-10, 167 pounds
Isaac Howard, LW | USA U-18 NTDP | 5-foot-10, 182 pounds
Jagger Firkus, RW | Moose Jaw-WHL | 5-foot-10, 153 pounds
Ty Nelson, D | North Bay-OHL | 5-foot-10, 196 pounds
Calle Odelius, D | Djurgardens-Sweden Jr. | 5-foot-11, 185 pounds

I've bolded my top choice of the batch and italicized my second that I'm going to try to manifest like I did for Topi.
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Nik


Boy it's a tough choice between Rutger McGroarty and Jagger Firkus for "Which name will be more fun to say if he makes the Leafs".
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Heroic Shrimp

Quote from: Nik on June 01, 2022, 02:40:30 PM

Boy it's a tough choice between Rutger McGroarty and Jagger Firkus for "Which name will be more fun to say if he makes the Leafs".
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herman

Am I remembering correctly that one year Jocelyn Thibault couldn't make the All Star Game due to a pulled groin and was replaced by Ron Tugnutt?
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on May 31, 2022, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on May 31, 2022, 08:01:55 PM
I don't disagree with that.

My question to the draft people is, at what point do the Leaf's look to get a potential goalie? we have to start picking the odd one here and there and hope that they hit. How's that russian kid looking?

I'd always be looking at it but realistically drafting a goalie, even if you've got a top 10 pick and he's a surefire stud, is a 3-4 year project. It's definitely not something you can force.

Understood. Goalies definitely take, for the most part, more time. I guess part of the issue is visually, it appears that some of the stars hit the bigs pretty quickly. Shesterkin and Vasilevskiy spent very little time in the AHL, but both spent a few years in the KHL. (Yes I know they don't grow on trees, it just happens to be the only game to watch tonight).

I do realize that they have been picking goalies yearly. It seems to be the "well, I guess we'll pick a goalie now" pick, but they continue to be misses. Yes a few of them still have time to grow, but they all seem to be floundering.

Woll has never had a SV% above .900 as a Pro
Scott can't stay healthy and has never had a SV% above .900 as a pro
Previous goalies to that are Garrett Sparks and Antoine Bibeau(both of whom have half decent AHL numbers but have never taken the next step.)

I'd be interested to see how the two Russian goalies progress over the next couple seasons.

Nik

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on June 01, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
Understood. Goalies definitely take, for the most part, more time. I guess part of the issue is visually, it appears that some of the stars hit the bigs pretty quickly. Shesterkin and Vasilevskiy spent very little time in the AHL, but both spent a few years in the KHL. (Yes I know they don't grow on trees, it just happens to be the only game to watch tonight).

Shesterkin was Draft+6 before he ever played in the NHL, +7 before he played more than a dozen games and while Vasilevsky was in the bigs quicker, he was still Draft+5 before he even played more than 20 games in a season.

That said I think it's fair to say that where the Leafs have been drafting goalies(Woll is the only one 3rd round or higher) suggests that they're not putting the resources into the position they maybe should considering that it's a postion of need.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik on June 01, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on June 01, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
Understood. Goalies definitely take, for the most part, more time. I guess part of the issue is visually, it appears that some of the stars hit the bigs pretty quickly. Shesterkin and Vasilevskiy spent very little time in the AHL, but both spent a few years in the KHL. (Yes I know they don't grow on trees, it just happens to be the only game to watch tonight).

Shesterkin was Draft+6 before he ever played in the NHL, +7 before he played more than a dozen games and while Vasilevsky was in the bigs quicker, he was still Draft+5 before he even played more than 20 games in a season.

Tried to say that. Just didn't articulate it.

Quote from: Nik on June 01, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
That said I think it's fair to say that where the Leafs have been drafting goalies(Woll is the only one 3rd round or higher) suggests that they're not putting the resources into the position they maybe should considering that it's a postion of need.

That's kind of what I was getting at. Though Shesterkin being a 4th rounder kind of hurts my point.

herman

https://twitter.com/mikemorrealeNHL/status/1532117530545905664
alright... what animal do you think will impress these vultures in these Hunger Games interviews?
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

CarltonTheBear

"I'm going to catch this prospect off guard by asking him a very popular question that gets asked not only at every single scouting combine but also in job interviews all across the world... yes yes I'm incredibly clever he'll never see this coming."

herman

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 02, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
"I'm going to catch this prospect off guard by asking him a very popular question that gets asked not only at every single scouting combine but also in job interviews all across the world... yes yes I'm incredibly clever he'll never see this coming."

None of these guys have had job interviews

I would ask them which NHL player shat upon that car windshield one time.
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on June 02, 2022, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 02, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
"I'm going to catch this prospect off guard by asking him a very popular question that gets asked not only at every single scouting combine but also in job interviews all across the world... yes yes I'm incredibly clever he'll never see this coming."

None of these guys have had job interviews

No but all their agents have 100% coached/prepared them for these interviews and I'm sure have been told what the "optimal" answer to this question (and others) is.

herman

Stop dodging the question, Carlton! Would you choose bear?
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on June 02, 2022, 12:50:58 PM
Stop dodging the question, Carlton! Would you choose bear?

Best describe me as a hockey player? Easy, sloth.

Scouts should at least give me points for honesty, unlike those "lion" folks.

Nik

Quote from: herman on June 02, 2022, 11:49:38 AM
https://twitter.com/mikemorrealeNHL/status/1532117530545905664
alright... what animal do you think will impress these vultures in these Hunger Games interviews?

I feel like this would be an easy way to signal to some teams that you want to play for them. Say Penguin or Panther or Shark or whatever. If the Leafs ask you, say Raccoon.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Significantly Insignificant

#44
Totally going wolverine or honey badger.  On the ice I am a complete nutcase and I will not stop until the enemy has been utterly defeated to the point where if they have ancestors they will stay away from my ancestors.
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan