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Nik

#135
March 15, 2022, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: Highlander on March 15, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
Now Zelensky has come out and said he no longer thinks that Ukraine will join NATO.

No, he didn't.

Quote from: Highlander on March 15, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
Isn't this the very thing that Putin wanted in the first place.

No, it isn't.

Quote from: Highlander on March 15, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
No buffer states belonging to NATO. 

Or "independent countries" as they're known in some circles.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
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L K

#136
March 15, 2022, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: Highlander on March 15, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
Now Zelensky has come out and said he no longer thinks that Ukraine will join NATO.  Isn't this the very thing that Putin wanted in the first place. No buffer states belonging to NATO.  Hopefully this thing resolves quickly now.

Russia invading Ukraine had very little to do with NATO/the EU.

Estonia and Latvia directly border the RUS and are both NATO nations.

bustaheims

#137
March 16, 2022, 10:30:34 AM
Quote from: Highlander on March 15, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
Now Zelensky has come out and said he no longer thinks that Ukraine will join NATO.  Isn't this the very thing that Putin wanted in the first place. No buffer states belonging to NATO.  Hopefully this thing resolves quickly now.

As others have pointed out, this is not what he said. He just recognized that Ukraine being admitted to NATO is not at all imminent or guaranteed - which was true before the invasion. Nothing has really changed there.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Highlander

#139
March 16, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
I stand corrected, but still very very concerned.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
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herman

#140
March 16, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: L K on March 16, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
This is Putin.  I'm seeing red. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/europe/ukraine-mariupol-bombing-theater-intl/index.html

As they did in Syria, also targeting hospitals and medical facilities
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

herman

#142
May 16, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

Bullfrog

#143
May 16, 2022, 08:46:10 PM
That was great to hear. Very brave of him.

herman

#144
May 16, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on May 16, 2022, 08:46:10 PM
That was great to hear. Very brave of him.

Apparently he's been on this since the beginning.
https://twitter.com/futuramapolls/status/1523048057390071809
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

Bullfrog

#145
May 17, 2022, 07:18:08 AM
It was interesting to hear the arguments from the host (another panelist?). She's clearly intelligent, but also a good illustration of how disinformation can be easily spread.
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