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2022 Blue Jays

Started by Deebo, November 16, 2021, 09:24:51 AM

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Steve Cohen broke baseball.  400+ million dollar payroll

Nik


With Conforto going to the Giants as well as Taylor Rogers it's looking pretty clear that the Jays aren't going to be able to improve the team much past what they have via Free Agency. While they still have cards to play and a Chapman-esque deal might open up down the road, it's hard not to think right now that this will be another off-season like last year's where they were active and saw a lot of change but didn't really make the team a whole lot better.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Dappleganger

I can't help but think that the Jays misjudged what they were going to do to replace Teo's bat in the lineup.

If they had a plan, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have seen it by now.

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 12:04:25 PMI can't help but think that the Jays misjudged what they were going to do to replace Teo's bat in the lineup.

If they had a plan, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have seen it by now.


Yeah. Even if they were determined to trade Teo you almost think that he'd be considerably more valuable right now with all the bats off the market and teams still looking to improve.

Obviously they still have chips to play but I don't think there's any getting around the reality that they whiffed a bit here in December.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Frank E

Quote from: Nik on December 23, 2022, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 12:04:25 PMI can't help but think that the Jays misjudged what they were going to do to replace Teo's bat in the lineup.

If they had a plan, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have seen it by now.


Yeah. Even if they were determined to trade Teo you almost think that he'd be considerably more valuable right now with all the bats off the market and teams still looking to improve.

Obviously they still have chips to play but I don't think there's any getting around the reality that they whiffed a bit here in December.

Do we still think they can parlay one of the catchers into something meaningful?

Highlander

Quote from: Frank E on December 23, 2022, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 23, 2022, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 12:04:25 PMI can't help but think that the Jays misjudged what they were going to do to replace Teo's bat in the lineup.

If they had a plan, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have seen it by now.


Yeah. Even if they were determined to trade Teo you almost think that he'd be considerably more valuable right now with all the bats off the market and teams still looking to improve.

Obviously they still have chips to play but I don't think there's any getting around the reality that they whiffed a bit here in December.

Do we still think they can parlay one of the catchers into something meaningful?

We should be able to get someone very good for one of our catchers. Kirk probably will go.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Nik

Quote from: Frank E on December 23, 2022, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Nik on December 23, 2022, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 12:04:25 PMI can't help but think that the Jays misjudged what they were going to do to replace Teo's bat in the lineup.

If they had a plan, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have seen it by now.


Yeah. Even if they were determined to trade Teo you almost think that he'd be considerably more valuable right now with all the bats off the market and teams still looking to improve.

Obviously they still have chips to play but I don't think there's any getting around the reality that they whiffed a bit here in December.

Do we still think they can parlay one of the catchers into something meaningful?


I wouldn't rule it out but the catching market has definitely narrowed. St. Louis, Atlanta and Milwaukee have all upgraded already so I don't know how long the list is of teams that need catching, have the sort of pieces the Jays want and are motivated to try and be competitive this year.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Dappleganger

The Diamondbacks have a surplus of outfielders and could use a catcher.

Deebo


Dappleganger

#429
Quote from: Deebo on December 23, 2022, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 03:34:44 PMThe Diamondbacks have a surplus of outfielders and could use a catcher.


https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1606392677305655331


That didn't take long. 😅

Varsho can play a little catcher as well, 31 games last season.


Nik


Moreno is a great prospect and losing him could definitely bite them but there's no doubt that this move gives them exactly what we've been saying they need. It also creates a situation where they have pretty unlimited options with their outfield defense where all three guys can play all three positions very well.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

#431
Giving up Moreno hurts, but Varsho is a damn good addition - especially if he can hit down on the Ks. Outfield defence has been seriously upgraded this off season.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dappleganger

#432
Definitely a win now move. Outfield is complete.

Gurriel going to Arizona as well. Can't say I love that.


Varsho ranked as the top defensive outfielder in the Majors last year by outs above replacement (18).

Deebo

Gurriel goes too, but I don't think he has much value.

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on December 23, 2022, 04:24:43 PMOutfield is complete.

I can't believe that's true. Kiermaier is an often injured and, frankly, not a very good hitter. The Jays can't really be banking on him being their every day CF.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi