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Started by Deebo, November 16, 2021, 09:24:51 AM

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L K

Baseball is a stupid sport anyway. 

Ultimately the frustrating thing for me is that this isn't the first time that Bo has barrelled head on through a play.  That was Springer's ball.  Whether he gets to the ball if he doesn't have Bo coming down on him, I'm not sure but I'm really done with the Bo Bichette as shortstop experiment.

Dead last in Defensive runs saved for qualified shortstops (-16).  Third last in all of MLB if you include all players who played at least 10 innings of SS.

Dead last in UZR for both qualified and all shortstops.

Tied for 2nd last in Outs Above Average

2nd in overall errors at the position.  First in fielding errors, 2nd in throwing errors.

He's a phenomenal offensive talent but Bo is a terrible shortstop.

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Nik

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Quote from: L K on October 10, 2022, 08:34:08 AMBaseball is a stupid sport anyway. 

Ultimately the frustrating thing for me is that this isn't the first time that Bo has barrelled head on through a play.  That was Springer's ball.  Whether he gets to the ball if he doesn't have Bo coming down on him, I'm not sure but I'm really done with the Bo Bichette as shortstop experiment.

I have a slightly different read on the play. Bichette knows Springer is playing deep to prevent a double getting to the wall so he should be going back on a ball he could potentially make a play on. Springer, coming forward, has a better read on the play and if he calls off Bichette then Bichette should yield to Springer but either Springer didn't do that or Bichette didn't hear him

Either way I think Springer has to be more cautious there. The one thing you can't allow is what happened which is not just the ball dropping but Springer not being able to make a play on a dropped ball because of the collision. Unless he's 100% sure he can make the play, and that includes being aware of other fielders, the smarter play for him is to prevent disaster.

That said, I don't really blame anyone. It was just a freak thing where a ball was hit in precisely the wrong spot. Not much you can do.

Quote from: L K on October 10, 2022, 08:34:08 AMDead last in Defensive runs saved for qualified shortstops (-16).  Third last in all of MLB if you include all players who played at least 10 innings of SS.

Dead last in UZR for both qualified and all shortstops.

Tied for 2nd last in Outs Above Average

2nd in overall errors at the position.  First in fielding errors, 2nd in throwing errors.

He's a phenomenal offensive talent but Bo is a terrible shortstop.

He certainly had a bad defensive year but he's been better than he was this year so I wouldn't necessarily write him off completely as being unable to play the position well. I think if the Jays have a good alternative SS option then I'd be good with them pursuing it as moving Bichette over to 2B also solves the issue of none of their options there being great but otherwise I think Bichette getting another year and seeing if he's more the guy we saw before isn't terrible as you maybe wait on someone like Martinez getting to the bigs.
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L K

In 2021 he was the second worst qualified shortstop at -14 defensive runs saves.  He was last in UZR at -20.6

In 2020 he was marginally better with +2 DRS with a -5.2 UZR


He shows flashes of being a good fielder because he's athletic and I do understand that defensive metrics aren't perfect but I don't think he has ever been a good defensive player

I mean they absolutely have to find a better option than just putting Espinal at SS if they are going to move him but I'm not expecting to see the Jays break the bank so improving their team defense would go a long way to improving the team

Nik

Quote from: L K on October 11, 2022, 08:54:23 PMIn 2021 he was the second worst qualified shortstop at -14 defensive runs saves.  He was last in UZR at -20.6

In 2020 he was marginally better with +2 DRS with a -5.2 UZR

He shows flashes of being a good fielder because he's athletic and I do understand that defensive metrics aren't perfect but I don't think he has ever been a good defensive player

There are, no doubt, some defensive metrics where he grades out poorly. There are others where he grades out more towards the middle of the pack. To me this doesn't say so much that the metrics are imperfect but rather that like every metric they tell part of the story and not the whole.

Bichette in particular is a case where I think you do want to sit down and ask what it is that he does badly and whether these are things he's incapable of improving on. To my mind, a lot of his struggles defensively are more mental than physical and involve him rushing plays he doesn't need to/getting so-so jumps on balls, particularly ones he has to go in on. For a guy his age and with his tools, I think it'd be disappointing if these struggles led to the conclusion that the team needs to move in another direction but like I said I'd 100% understand it if they definitively had a better option.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi


Nik

Quote from: Frank E on October 21, 2022, 09:58:07 AMhttps://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-name-john-schneider-full-time-manager-sign-him-to-extension/


I'm a little surprised.

I'm not. He had a pretty flawed team playing at a 100 win pace. Not bringing him back on the basis of really just one bad playoff game would be a pretty questionable decision and pretty out of step with how the current management group tends to do things.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Quote from: Nik on October 21, 2022, 10:58:32 AMI'm not. He had a pretty flawed team playing at a 100 win pace. Not bringing him back on the basis of really just one bad playoff game would be a pretty questionable decision and pretty out of step with how the current management group tends to do things.

Exactly. It would be quite the overreaction to dismiss him based on a bad series with the results he had in half a season at the helm. His overall performance earned him at least the opportunity to have a full season as manager.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan


L K

Quote from: Frank E on November 11, 2022, 01:19:30 PMAny of you baseball nerds know what the story is here?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/james-click-rejects-one-year-contract-offer-out-as-gm-of-astros/


Apparently there was conflict between the President and GM.  Click wanted to make some moves that the team opposed (and were right to do).  He then was bitching at the GM meeting and they used it as an argument to move on.

The core of the Astros wasn't put together by him so the organization didn't like his ideas and felt previous GM built the core of what has been a constant contender.


bustaheims

I don't think trading Teo was a bad idea, but I am underwhelmed with the return. Curious to see how this plays out in the big picture.
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Nik

Looked at in isolation it's not a move that makes you immediately excited. Swanson's another reliever with good numbers but not the sort of high end stuff a lot of teams build bullpens around.

That said I don't think this move can be looked at in isolation. Teoscar had the one more year left before free agency and I'm not sure how much it made sense to look to sign him to a big money extension when he's 30 and already a minus defender. Especially considering Springer might be a better fit in RF than as a CF in the years ahead. If the Jays can take the money saved here and either turn it into a Left Handed power bat for the outfield or, dream big, maybe one of the upper tier SS on the market and move Bo to 2B then I think it might end up being a solid reorganization of the team's assets.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

LittleHockeyFan


L K

Overall its' not a horrible move.  Swanson's peripheral numbers are decent and we have him for 3 years.  Losing Teo is tough but we also need to see what he gets replaced with.  The 60 games we would get of healthy Brandon Nimmo wouldn't really be an adequate tradeoff.