2022 Blue Jays

[Bender]

And it's official. Ray is gone. Ugh.

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1465414756844638216?s=20

[Bender]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

[Guilt Trip]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

Both are similar but I think the Jays did great signing Gausman and he wanted to come here....doesn't sound like ray did ad that's why the Jays moved on.

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/analysis/blue-jays-free-agency-ace-gausman-ray

[Bender]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

Both are similar but I think the Jays did great signing Gausman and he wanted to come here....doesn't sound like ray did ad that's why the Jays moved on.

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/analysis/blue-jays-free-agency-ace-gausman-ray

Yeah, I mean if they went for similar $ I don't see why we wouldn't sign Ray unless he specifically didn't want to resign.

[Guilt Trip]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

Both are similar but I think the Jays did great signing Gausman and he wanted to come here....doesn't sound like ray did ad that's why the Jays moved on.

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/analysis/blue-jays-free-agency-ace-gausman-ray

Yeah, I mean if they went for similar $ I don't see why we wouldn't sign Ray unless he specifically didn't want to resign.

Just reading that article/opinion, I would say the Jays got the better pitcher.

[Joe]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

Very - right down to last season being potentially fluke seasons. But at least Gausman spent years in the AL east. Knows what he's getting into. And apparently the Jays went hard after him last years but he had reservations with the Jays having no home field.

[Joe]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

Both are similar but I think the Jays did great signing Gausman and he wanted to come here....doesn't sound like ray did ad that's why the Jays moved on.

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/analysis/blue-jays-free-agency-ace-gausman-ray

Yeah, I mean if they went for similar $ I don't see why we wouldn't sign Ray unless he specifically didn't want to resign.

You can also look at it as the Jays got a very similar player and a draft pick. So in a way they're kind of ahead? Either way I see Ray and Gausman as a wash. Neither are the ace of this staff. That's Berrios.

[bustaheims]

Even without Ray, the Jays have the makings of a pretty solid rotation. Ryu, Berrios, Gausman, Manoah, and Stripling/Pearson/another addition is a pretty good group. Being able to retain Ray would have been great, but replacing him with Gausman isn't much of a downgrade in terms of reasonable expected performance.

[Guilt Trip]

According to Steve Phillips, the Jays offered 5 x 110mill. Ray's camp was playing it that they were getting more from someone else, so they were bluffing. They were also going to wait until Dec 1 to sign and were slow playing it. Jays didn't want to wait and moved on to plan B before Gausman signed somewhere else.
Smart move to get 1 of them. Gasman isn't much of a drop, if at all.

[Nik]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

I think so. Especially when you factor in the draft pick. In a perfect world would I have taken Ray over Gausman at these respective deals? Maybe. But there certainly isn't a huge difference and I understand why someone might lean the other way in thinking Gausman has a lot of room for improvement under Pete Walker whereas we already saw what Walker could do for Ray.

[Nik]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

[L K]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

I don't like the length of the Semien contract but this Seager contract is pure batshit insane

[Andy]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

I think so. Especially when you factor in the draft pick. In a perfect world would I have taken Ray over Gausman at these respective deals? Maybe. But there certainly isn't a huge difference and I understand why someone might lean the other way in thinking Gausman has a lot of room for improvement under Pete Walker whereas we already saw what Walker could do for Ray.

I think, though, that the opt-out after the 3rd year on Ray's deal makes Gausman's more desirable. If Ray proves he's an ace, he's 100% gone in 3 years; if Gausman pans out, we still get him for all 5. The only way Seattle gets Ray for all 5 is if he pitches poorly and/or gets injured.

[Nik]

I think, though, that the opt-out after the 3rd year on Ray's deal makes Gausman's more desirable. If Ray proves he's an ace, he's 100% gone in 3 years; if Gausman pans out, we still get him for all 5. The only way Seattle gets Ray for all 5 is if he pitches poorly and/or gets injured.

Sure but that's mitigated a bit, I think, by the idea that these guys both might be good for the first few years of their deal and then less effective in the later years in which case the Ray scenario isn't so bad. Add in the devil you know factor and I can make an argument either way. Regardless, I'm not complaining. I think Gausman could be really good.

[Nik]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

I don't like the length of the Semien contract but this Seager contract is pure batshit insane

The thing about these huge 10 year, 250+ million dollar deals is just that, like, none of them seem smart or like they work out. Even the Mike Trout deal you have to wonder about now that he's getting hurt a bit. Guys like Betts or Lindor or Machado are all great players but do you really want those deals now? Even Harper after winning the MVP, it still seems like a crazy risk.