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2022 Blue Jays

Started by Deebo, November 16, 2021, 10:24:51 AM

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Deebo

Let's start off the 2022 thread with some big news.

https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1460615689471934464

Nik

I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik


Well, considering the price they paid for him they were definitely going to be looking to lock him up and this is pretty reasonable all things considered. A front of the rotation starter locked up for his entire prime at a reasonable number is a pretty big win for the club.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
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bustaheims

That's a pretty solid contract for both sides.
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Joe


Nik


So the deal apparently has some escalators and an opt-out clause after year 5 but, quite frankly, if he's good enough for length of the deal to the point where he thinks opting out at 33 is a win for him that's fine.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Deebo

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Quote from: Nik on November 16, 2021, 11:18:22 AM

So the deal apparently has some escalators and an opt-out clause after year 5 but, quite frankly, if he's good enough for length of the deal to the point where he thinks opting out at 33 is a win for him that's fine.

The salary escalates for the years after the opt out.


https://twitter.com/ShiDavidi/status/1461407449924186127



Nik


So Steven Matz won't be coming back. He signed what is a pretty reasonable deal in terms of dollars(11 million per) but it's 4 years which seems like a long time to commit to a guy who hasn't put together two real solid years in a row yet.

I'm fine with the Jays not matching and was pretty lukewarm on bringing back Matz regardless(Ray and Gray for the Jays!) but I wonder if ultimately not qualifying Matz was a mistake. There seemed to be enough interest in him that either the Jays would get him for the one year at 18 million(a lot of money but low risk) or he'd turn it down and the Jays would have gotten the pick. Not a big deal either way but something to think about.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

L K

Quote from: Nik on November 24, 2021, 01:52:36 PM

So Steven Matz won't be coming back. He signed what is a pretty reasonable deal in terms of dollars(11 million per) but it's 4 years which seems like a long time to commit to a guy who hasn't put together two real solid years in a row yet.

I'm fine with the Jays not matching and was pretty lukewarm on bringing back Matz regardless(Ray and Gray for the Jays!) but I wonder if ultimately not qualifying Matz was a mistake. There seemed to be enough interest in him that either the Jays would get him for the one year at 18 million(a lot of money but low risk) or he'd turn it down and the Jays would have gotten the pick. Not a big deal either way but something to think about.

The only thing about qualifying Matz is that I think he probably takes that 18 million QO. 

The equivalent of money for him would be 3 years @ 8 million and that's the kind of contract pretty mediocre pitchers get. 

If the Jays say bring back Ray and sign a guy like Gaussman they did the right thing.  If we don't strike in free agency and Stripling/Pearson is our 5th starter the team made a mistake.

Nik

Quote from: L K on November 24, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
The only thing about qualifying Matz is that I think he probably takes that 18 million QO. 

You think? Even if 40+ million is on the table?

Anyway, I think you're right that ultimately what they do otherwise to address the pitching is more important. I'd love to see the Jays sign Seiya Suzuki and then go see what Gurriel/Kirk could land them in a trade from Miami or Oakland.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Quote from: Nik on November 24, 2021, 01:52:36 PM

So Steven Matz won't be coming back. He signed what is a pretty reasonable deal in terms of dollars(11 million per) but it's 4 years which seems like a long time to commit to a guy who hasn't put together two real solid years in a row yet.

I'm fine with the Jays not matching and was pretty lukewarm on bringing back Matz regardless(Ray and Gray for the Jays!) but I wonder if ultimately not qualifying Matz was a mistake. There seemed to be enough interest in him that either the Jays would get him for the one year at 18 million(a lot of money but low risk) or he'd turn it down and the Jays would have gotten the pick. Not a big deal either way but something to think about.

A QO definitely changes the market on him. Are teams still willing to give him that kind of money if they need to give up a pick as part of it? Does he take a one year pay day and bet on himself for next winter? With the impending lockout, is that even a smart move? Really hard to tell.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Dappleganger

I didn't want Matz at $18.9m. Especially if it impeded the Jays ability to sign Max Scherzer.

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on November 24, 2021, 04:00:20 PM
A QO definitely changes the market on him. Are teams still willing to give him that kind of money if they need to give up a pick as part of it? Does he take a one year pay day and bet on himself for next winter? With the impending lockout, is that even a smart move? Really hard to tell.

You're probably right, I just am a little surprised he got a 4 year deal. It feels weird to me that you'd like Matz enough to give him 4 years/44 or like him enough to throw a twitter fit about him signing elsewhere like the Mets owner did but hold out at also throwing in a 2nd round pick.

Eh, no big loss either way.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik

Quote from: Dappleganger on November 24, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
I didn't want Matz at $18.9m. Especially if it impeded the Jays ability to sign Max Scherzer.

I would be shocked if Scherzer signed anywhere off the West Coast. Really, I doubt he signs outside of LA.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi