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Armchair GM 2021-2022: Catharsis

Started by herman, June 02, 2021, 09:43:47 AM

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Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on June 02, 2021, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: wnc096 on June 02, 2021, 04:39:29 PM
He just needed to adjust his game for playoff hockey.   

Like, I'm the first guy to admit Marner wasn't great in the playoffs but I think it's also important to point out that he has been good in the past. Prior to this year he had 21 points in 25 career playoff games. Again, not outstanding, but I think it's a far cry from what some people are saying where he's incapable of the mental toughness required for playing good hockey in the playoffs. I remember a lot of people here saying he was the team's best player in the loss against the Bruins in 2018.
That's very true. I think he was playing with Bozak and JVR in that series. I think he just needs to get out of his own head. Let's hope so.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

That was true in 2018.  He then proceeded to regress, moving resolutely and with head held high down into the freaking tarpit that is the only truly accurate description of this year's playoffs.

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L K

So the expansion draft:

7 forwards/3 defensemen + goalie  OR 8 skaters + goalie

First and second year players are exempted and unsigned players are exempt.
At least one defenseman who played 40 games last year or 70 over the last two: Dermott
At least two forwards who played 40 games/70 over the last two: Kerfoot, Engvall
At least one goalie under contract: Hutchinson

Tavares - NMC
Matthews
Marner
Nylander

Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl

Campbell

That exposes: Dermott, Engvall, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Brooks

Maybe it isn't doable but should the Leafs try and trade Rielly/Kerfoot before the expansion draft if there is a team that is interested?

CarltonTheBear


Guilt Trip

#34
Quote from: L K on June 03, 2021, 09:22:07 AM
So the expansion draft:

7 forwards/3 defensemen + goalie  OR 8 skaters + goalie

First and second year players are exempted and unsigned players are exempt.
At least one defenseman who played 40 games last year or 70 over the last two: Dermott
At least two forwards who played 40 games/70 over the last two: Kerfoot, Engvall
At least one goalie under contract: Hutchinson

Tavares - NMC
Matthews
Marner
Nylander

Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl

Campbell

That exposes: Dermott, Engvall, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Brooks

Maybe it isn't doable but should the Leafs try and trade Rielly/Kerfoot before the expansion draft if there is a team that is interested?
As it stands right now, Leafs can't protect 2F, 1D, 1G from the following...
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot, Engvall, Tavares(NMC so will be protected).
Muzz, Brodie, Rielly, Holl.
Campbell, Hutch.
If they traded Rielly/Kerfoot, they wouldn't be allowed to protect one of the big 3 because they have to protect JT. Of course it depends on what comes back player wise but if no players came back and they don't sign anyone from now until the draft, one of Matthews, Willy, Marner would be left unprotected. Dermott can be protected but can't count towards the 1D, he doesn't meet the criteria because he isn't signed.

bustaheims

#35
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 09:58:48 AM
Dermott can be protected but can't count towards the 1D, he doesn't meet the criteria because he isn't signed.

If the Leafs plan on exposing him, that's a pretty easy fix.

That being said, it wouldn't shock me if the Leafs exposed Holl and made some kind of side deal with Seattle - especially if they're exploring moving Rielly.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Guilt Trip

Quote from: bustaheims on June 03, 2021, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 09:58:48 AM
Dermott can be protected but can't count towards the 1D, he doesn't meet the criteria because he isn't signed.

If the Leafs plan on exposing him, that's a pretty easy fix.

That being said, it wouldn't shock me if the Leafs exposed Holl and made some kind of side deal with Seattle - especially if they're exploring moving Rielly.
If the plan is to shed Kerfoot's salary they won't leave Holl unprotected. He'll be gone barring a side deal. Holl at 2mill is an incredible deal.
Dermott would have to sign in order to go in the group of 4. He may choose not to and take his chances.
It's going to be an interesting off season to see what direction the Leafs go...I think we've seen the last of the old guys though other then Spezza.
I think a Rielly move will totally depend on the ask. I think if Dubas can sign him for a reasonable raise he will.

Nik


I have to say, it would be something if the Leafs' reaction to all this is to trade the one guy on the team who almost unquestionably is playing over and above his cap hit.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

OldTimeHockey

Do the Leafs have to protect a goalie?

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 12:18:24 PM

I have to say, it would be something if the Leafs' reaction to all this is to trade the one guy on the team who almost unquestionably is playing over and above his cap hit.
If they don't want to take the chance of losing him they will. Pretty sure bet that Jack will be gone if they don't.

Nik

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 12:18:24 PM

I have to say, it would be something if the Leafs' reaction to all this is to trade the one guy on the team who almost unquestionably is playing over and above his cap hit.
If they don't want to take the chance of losing him they will. Pretty sure bet that Jack will be gone if they don't.

Losing Campbell doesn't really terrify me.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 03, 2021, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nik on June 03, 2021, 12:18:24 PM

I have to say, it would be something if the Leafs' reaction to all this is to trade the one guy on the team who almost unquestionably is playing over and above his cap hit.
If they don't want to take the chance of losing him they will. Pretty sure bet that Jack will be gone if they don't.

Losing Campbell doesn't really terrify me.
Maybe not but they're going to protect him. They will need to get at least 1 goalie in the off season and at 1.6, Jack is a good option to have.

Frank E

I forgot the Leafs don't have a 1st round pick this year.

According to my quick research on capfriendly, they've only got a 2nd, a 5th, and a 6th.

Highlander

Quote from: Frank E on June 03, 2021, 12:49:19 PM
I forgot the Leafs don't have a 1st round pick this year.

According to my quick research on capfriendly, they've only got a 2nd, a 5th, and a 6th.
A Rielly trade could net us potentially a 1st, 2nd and decent prospect.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Bender

#44
I'm just so frustrated with how this group fast tracked the rebuild in every way they possibly could rather than making prudent long term moves. They kept talking about wanting to compete year in year out. Is that really sustainable with the Big 4 + whatever scrubs? Where's our Cale Makar? Where's our Sam Girard? Where's our Bowen Byram? I'm so tired of assets going out and not recouping anything back.

JVR, Bozak, Gardiner, Komarov, Andersen, Barrie, Kadri (in a weird way because Barrie is gone and Kerfoot may also be gone) bad use of picks in Rittich, Foligno, Boyle, Plekanec, bad signing in Marleau that cost us picks to get out of... like what is going on here? We can't remain competitive if the only time we're making trades for assets coming in is when our cap hand is forced and we trade Kapanen or Johnsson or Brown. I really think this is starting to look like mismanagement. We have no draft picks and nothing internally because of a terrible drafting record for the most part. We could see the best years of this core wasted and they could leave in free agency in a couple of years. Then what? This is just so baffling.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender