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Started by Darryl, January 03, 2021, 01:23:58 PM

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Frank E

I have to think that's a safety thing being at speed because they don't know what crazies are in the crowd?

herman

Not going to bother with a new thread
https://twitter.com/jomboymedia/status/1514102141966815232
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

L K

Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.

bustaheims

Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 10:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

CarltonTheBear

9-0 and your opponent has apparently given up despite there being 3 innings left? I dunno that seems like a good time to practice plays like bunts in a real game with little pressure on you.

bustaheims

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2022, 08:16:58 AM
9-0 and your opponent has apparently given up despite there being 3 innings left? I dunno that seems like a good time to practice plays like bunts in a real game with little pressure on you.

I guess, especially early in the season. I guess, in some ways, I'm a little old school.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

herman

It's weird because some people get insulted when you ease up while being ahead, and others get insulted when you play hard. Mercy rules help cut this off so teams can reset even if they don't get the outs.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 10:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.

I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say. 
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Quote from: Nik on April 14, 2022, 09:12:08 AM
I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say.

Yeah, that's fair. I don't think "if you do something the other team doesn't like, expect them to do something you don't like" is an unfair way to handle this - as long as the response is proportional, obviously, and as long as it doesn't escalate.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

L K

#71
Quote from: Nik on April 14, 2022, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 10:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.

I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say.

I mean there is a huge difference between intentionally throwing at a player and hurting their feelings by getting a base hit.

What if I changed it around to say that it's acceptable to pull a Michigan in a 4-goal lead but you should expect a crosscheck to the face for doing it? 

I have never understood the rationale that throwing at players under any circumstance made sense in baseball.  The "no crying in baseball" crowd seem to get awfully bent out of shape over emotional insults (hitting on 3-0 counts, bunting, putting extra runs on the board).

I think for me why I don't care is that Mauricio Dubon is a borderline MLB player.  He's basically 28 and has a career slash of .259/.303/.392/.695

I find it hard to get upset about a guy trying to get a hit in the 6th inning of a ballgame.  You might convince me more if this was the 9th inning but there were still 3 innings left in the game.  If teams don't want their opponent to try anymore because they are winning...then forfeit or put a mercy rule in baseball and stop games after 5+ innings if a team is winning by 7+ runs.

Dappleganger

Quote from: L K on April 13, 2022, 03:29:47 PM
Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.

I hate this.

L K

Quote from: Dappleganger on April 14, 2022, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: L K on April 13, 2022, 03:29:47 PM
Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.

I hate this.

I don't disagree with it given the abbreviated spring training.  It just sucked to see him pitching that well and not take it into the 8th.

Nik

Quote from: L K on April 14, 2022, 10:27:25 AM
I mean there is a huge difference between intentionally throwing at a player and hurting their feelings by getting a base hit.

I guess? But my point is that neither one is a particularly big deal.

Quote from: L K on April 14, 2022, 10:27:25 AM
What if I changed it around to say that it's acceptable to pull a Michigan in a 4-goal lead but you should expect a crosscheck to the face for doing it? 

Then I'd say there's a bit of a difference just in terms of consequences. Getting crosschecked in the face is not a natural thing that occurs within the context of a hockey game outside of the accepted level of player on player violence in the game. Conversely any of these guys playing pro baseball has been hit by a baseball almost certainly dozens of times, usually with no ill intent on anyone's part. It's such a common part of the game that you get taught, effectively, to minimize the damage of it by turning your butt or back to it. 9 times out of 10 it stings a bit, or leaves a bruise, and you move on. Getting plunked in the butt isn't a major or consequential penalty for doing something seen by some as disrespectful even if you don't agree with that interpretation.


I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi