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Nik

#45
July 29, 2021, 07:48:36 PM

This always happens in the NBA draft. Some guy who isn't actually good at Basketball rises up the draft charts because teams fall in love with their athleticism and measurements and ignore things like not being able to shoot. That's why Steph Curry fell.

I just didn't think the Raps would be the team that fell for it.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik

#46
July 29, 2021, 08:11:00 PM

It is...frustrating to be a Toronto sports fan right now.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

L K

#47
July 29, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Hey come on it will be fun when we lose games 86-80 because we have an elite defense an nobody who can shoot.  Wasn't the Kevin O'Neill era awesome!

Nik

#48
July 29, 2021, 08:29:58 PM

Oh well. I guess I always have the Blue Jays Jets Leafs learning how to make jam.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Bender

#49
July 29, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Nik

#50
July 29, 2021, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bender on July 29, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.

I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Bender

#51
July 30, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Nik on July 29, 2021, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bender on July 29, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.

I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
But what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

L K

#52
July 30, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Bender on July 30, 2021, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Nik on July 29, 2021, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bender on July 29, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
So I know nothing of this pick and Suggs other than everyone wanted Suggs. I have a friend who says they think they can develop the guy they picked for a longer term rebuild. Any merit to that? Admittedly I literally know nothing of the positions in Basketball.

I mean, any one could be developed and the Raptors have a good track record in developing guys but I think it's a little bit like the Family Guy joke about, you know, you can have a boat or you can have the mystery box which could be anything, it could even be a boat.

Suggs is the boat. Just take the boat.
But what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?

Suggs is an ok defender who can shoot.

Barnes is a good defender who can't shoot.

Mid-late round picks who can't shoot I'll buy that they need development time to work on their offensive game.  Top 4 picks shouldn't need to develop an offensive game.  He's a good playmaker but he's a Point Forward and not a PG.  He's not an elite passer for a PG...he's an elite passes for a PF.

Everything about Barnes is that his hypothetical potential being higher but the Raptors are loaded with guys who can't create their own shot and just added another one.

Nik

#53
July 30, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Bender on July 30, 2021, 11:44:39 AMBut what makes Suggs a boat and the other guy a mystery box? Do you generally take the guy who can shoot?

Well, kind of. But it's more that Suggs was seen overwhelmingly as the safer pick because of a more developed game. When people projected him as a front-line PG it was because of watching what he did in college. With Barnes it's "Well, if he develops his shooting who knows where it might lead?"

With Barnes there isn't really any solid notion of what position he might play.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Frank E

#54
July 30, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
Anybody put any faith in the claim that Suggs didn't want to come to Toronto anyway?

L K

#55
July 30, 2021, 12:59:02 PM
The rumour going around is that he didn't have a good workout with the team...but I feel like that always happens when a team doesn't pick a player. 

Supposedly if OKC traded up with the Raptors they would have taken Barnes at 4 too so that took away the trade down option.

Nik

#56
July 30, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: L K on July 30, 2021, 12:59:02 PM
The rumour going around is that he didn't have a good workout with the team...but I feel like that always happens when a team doesn't pick a player. 

Supposedly if OKC traded up with the Raptors they would have taken Barnes at 4 too so that took away the trade down option.

I guess. But I'd feel better about having Giddey and another solid asset than just Barnes.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Highlander

#58
August 03, 2021, 08:24:30 AM
Goodbye Kyle, enjoy the Heat in Miami.
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

L K

#59
August 03, 2021, 08:29:10 AM Last Edit: August 03, 2021, 08:35:06 AM by L K
Yeah, it was expected at this point.  The S&T portion hasn't been announced yet but sounds like it is Goran Dragic (19.4M) and Precious Achiuwa (2.71M)

Dragic is probably a good bet to be flipped given that the Raptors still have FVV and Flynn for PG next year.  Achiuwa adds to a glut of SF/PF players that in the 6'8"-6'9" range but is an ok prospect.

The team is definitely doing a bit of a modified rebuild now.  They could potentially get a big with Dragic in a trade but it does look like the Raptors are going to be a team that gets heavily outrebounded again this season because they have no center depth.
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