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Thornton Watch

Started by herman, October 15, 2020, 08:59:56 AM

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WAYNEINIONA

Quote from: Highlander on October 15, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
Supposedly Jumbo was killed trying to lead a smaller elephant off the track called Tom Thumb and both died, in St.Thomas Ontario of all freaking places.

Why? Was there a more appropriate place?

Guilt Trip

Quote from: WAYNEINIONA on October 15, 2020, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: Highlander on October 15, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
Supposedly Jumbo was killed trying to lead a smaller elephant off the track called Tom Thumb and both died, in St.Thomas Ontario of all freaking places.

Why? Was there a more appropriate place?
Haha. Good one

Nik


One of the things that the "Thornton's desperately hungry to win" folk kind of have to reckon with has been his pattern of signing the last few years. It's been one year deals for three seasons now, some signed fairly late into free agency. Even now, announcing he'll be playing with Davos while unsigned in the NHL doesn't really speak to a guy who's super focused on winning a cup.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Frank E

Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:46:06 AM

One of the things that the "Thornton's desperately hungry to win" folk kind of have to reckon with has been his pattern of signing the last few years. It's been one year deals for three seasons now, some signed fairly late into free agency. Even now, announcing he'll be playing with Davos while unsigned in the NHL doesn't really speak to a guy who's super focused on winning a cup.

How does someone who is super focused on winning a cap act?

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
One of the things that the "Thornton's desperately hungry to win" folk kind of have to reckon with has been his pattern of signing the last few years. It's been one year deals for three seasons now, some signed fairly late into free agency.

I'm really not sure what him signing a 1 year deal vs. a 3 year deal has to do with his desire to win. If anything it just gives his team more flexibility. Also only one of those deals was signed late in free agency, the other two were signed literally the day after free agency opened. And the third one coming late seemed more like a formality than anything, San Jose's coach talked in July about how he expected him back.

Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
Even now, announcing he'll be playing with Davos while unsigned in the NHL doesn't really speak to a guy who's super focused on winning a cup.

Or it seems like a guy who is so focused on being the best player he can be for the upcoming season that he'd start training for it now instead of hanging out in sunny San Jose.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:46:06 AM

One of the things that the "Thornton's desperately hungry to win" folk kind of have to reckon with has been his pattern of signing the last few years. It's been one year deals for three seasons now, some signed fairly late into free agency. Even now, announcing he'll be playing with Davos while unsigned in the NHL doesn't really speak to a guy who's super focused on winning a cup.
Wants to play comes to my mind and everyone that plays, wants to win. Desperately though? Well ok I'll take your word for it.
If the season were going to start in a month I'd see your point but there's no time table yet so why is there a hurry to sign? We also don't know what deals are in place and what has been said by Dubas and Keefe, from the Leafs side. My guess is if they've reached out, they made an offer. Who knows how many other teams have reached out. As for the one year deals, so what? Thornton's longest contract was the first one he signed. He hasn't signed a contract longer then 3 years since the first one expired in 2004. Means nothing in the grand scheme.
By him playing with Davos says the exact opposite for me. He's staying in game shape to be ready which is more then most. Sounds committed to me.

Nik

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2020, 11:18:10 AM
I'm really not sure what him signing a 1 year deal vs. a 3 year deal has to do with his desire to win.

I think it speaks to a general uncertainty about how committed he was to playing, let alone playing somewhere that gave him the best chance at a cup.

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2020, 11:18:10 AM
Or it seems like a guy who is so focused on being the best player he can be for the upcoming season that he'd start training for it now instead of hanging out in sunny San Jose.

I'm not intending for this to come off as some sort of serious criticism of Joe Thornton as a person. If his perspective on life/work balance doesn't involve uprooting his family to chase a cup then I say bravo to him. Likewise, if his loyalty to San Jose supersedes a win at all cost instinct I think that's admirable.

But realistically, I think you have to weigh the relative training benefits of playing with Davos vs. the training he could do in San Jose vs. the injury risks both places as well. I really don't think Davos would be the "win a cup at all costs" decision there but that's just my read on it.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik

Quote from: Guilt Trip on October 16, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
If the season were going to start in a month I'd see your point but there's no time table yet so why is there a hurry to sign?

I don't know that there's a hurry, exactly, but teams can and will make other plans in the meantime. Likewise, I think ideally a team signing a 41 year old player and expecting him to be a real contributor for the season would want to get their heads together and come up with what they mutually think is the best plan to get him in the right shape for when the season rolls along. Especially if that's a new team where he doesn't have a prior relationship.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi


herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

CarltonTheBear


herman



I?ve never seen exact same timing before
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

Zee


CarltonTheBear

1 for 2 on these 'Watch' threads, not bad.

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Nice! Happy for Carlton more than anything.