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Pietrangelo Watch

Started by herman, September 18, 2020, 07:36:36 PM

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princedpw

If Pietrangelo is on the table, I?d have to ask myself whether team is better with him + Marner?s/Nylander?s return in a trade.  Otherwise there?s just no one on the 3rd and 4th lines and no injury replacement depth.

princedpw

Quote from: Frank E on September 19, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
I look at it like would I trade Nylander at $7m X 4 years, then he's UFA, for Pietrangelo at $9m X 7 years (when he'd be 37 at contract maturity)?

Given where the Leafs' defense vs. offense is at, I say yes.  Pietrangelo doesn't seem to have any big injury issues, plays 25 minutes per game, scores very well, is RHD, and is a team captain.

So if you ask me if I'd sign Pietrangelo to that contract, and get the proceeds of trading Nylander (futures, maybe a goalie prospect, maybe another great d-man prospect)?  I'm all in.

There's always going to be inherent risks, but Pietrangelo is a pretty solid bet.

I?d look at this kind of ?trade? as well.

KadriFan

Smart GMs don?t sign 30 year olds to long term deals.  Some idiot probably will but I sure hope it?s not the leafs

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Highlander on September 19, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Lord I agree, if we had two Salming's on our blue line this coming year, then plan the parade. Too bad they broke the mold with him.
They certainly did. Unbelievable player and tough. The crap he had to put up with. My favourite player ever.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_71KMpMP8qA

Dappleganger

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Quote from: KadriFan on September 19, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
Smart GMs don?t sign 30 year olds to long term deals.  Some idiot probably will but I sure hope it?s not the leafs

Boston signed Chara long term at 29 years old. Worked out for them.

Scott Niedermayer signed in Anaheim at 32 and took him to 36. That worked out pretty good too.

I'd say elite guys kinda change the equation.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Dappleganger on September 19, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: KadriFan on September 19, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
Smart GMs don?t sign 30 year olds to long term deals.  Some idiot probably will but I sure hope it?s not the leafs

Boston signed Chara long term at 29 years old. Worked out for them.

Scott Niedermayer signed in Anaheim at 32 and took him to 36. That worked out pretty good too.

I'd say elite guys kinda change the equation.

They definitely do and AP is an elite D man.

Heroic Shrimp

Quote from: Highlander on September 19, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Lord I agree, if we had two Salming's on our blue line this coming year, then plan the parade. Too bad they broke the mold with him.
I, too, would like two Hall of Fame defensemen on the blueline.
Supersize my Freedom Fries

Downtown

I love the idea of AP right now, but I can't see that contract being a good thing in year 6 and 7.

I'd rather trade Nylander (as awesome as he is) for a good young defender and use the cap space to sign a few solid dmen.
Can't be cheering for Connor Brown no more.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Downtown on September 19, 2020, 08:10:20 PM
I love the idea of AP right now, but I can't see that contract being a good thing in year 6 and 7.

I'd rather trade Nylander (as awesome as he is) for a good young defender and use the cap space to sign a few solid dmen.
In a deal like this you can't worry about year 6 or 7. Robidas Island if he falls of the cliff. Also Matthews is here for 4 more minimum, Marner 5, Nylander 4 and JT 5. Sign him and take action at it for the next 4 or 5 years.

Downtown

Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 19, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Downtown on September 19, 2020, 08:10:20 PM
I love the idea of AP right now, but I can't see that contract being a good thing in year 6 and 7.

I'd rather trade Nylander (as awesome as he is) for a good young defender and use the cap space to sign a few solid dmen.
In a deal like this you can't worry about year 6 or 7. Robidas Island if he falls of the cliff. Also Matthews is here for 4 more minimum, Marner 5, Nylander 4 and JT 5. Sign him and take action at it for the next 4 or 5 years.
See, I think a smart GM worries about every year of the deal. Obviously it's hard to predict what shape the team/league will be in 6 or 7 year, but ideally you want to build a team that's competitive year in and year out. Look at Dallas this year, it's usually just a matter of a good team with a little bit of puck luck.
Can't be cheering for Connor Brown no more.

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

CarltonTheBear

Yeah, I'm sure teams like Tampa have some advantage in that regard but things like capfriendly's tax calculators have always seemed poorly thought out. Players don't just take whatever tax rate they're subjected to and leave it at that. It's not that simple.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Downtown on September 19, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 19, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Downtown on September 19, 2020, 08:10:20 PM
I love the idea of AP right now, but I can't see that contract being a good thing in year 6 and 7.

I'd rather trade Nylander (as awesome as he is) for a good young defender and use the cap space to sign a few solid dmen.
In a deal like this you can't worry about year 6 or 7. Robidas Island if he falls of the cliff. Also Matthews is here for 4 more minimum, Marner 5, Nylander 4 and JT 5. Sign him and take action at it for the next 4 or 5 years.
See, I think a smart GM worries about every year of the deal. Obviously it's hard to predict what shape the team/league will be in 6 or 7 year, but ideally you want to build a team that's competitive year in and year out. Look at Dallas this year, it's usually just a matter of a good team with a little bit of puck luck.
I will guarantee you there are very few GMs thinking 7 years down the road. They don't produce and they're gone long before that. Dubas will worry about it then. Right now, not a chance. The cap should be way up by then anyway. Dubas' main thought now is how can I fit him in with/without dumping Nylander and every other scenario to fit AP in without killing the front line talent. It can be done if he gets rid of Johnsson and Kerfoot and signs a few UFA's on the cheap. It's going to be interesting if AP gets to the market. Teams will be lining up.

princedpw

I?d be curious to know what we could get back if we tried to trade Marner.  I?d probably look for a Nazem Kadri-level center for the 3rd line as the biggest piece back, perhaps a scoring winger prospect who might be ready to take the leap, and a badish contract for a third/fourth liner or 6th D to even out the money a little.  11 million out in cap hit, and 2-3 players for ~7-8 million back in. I?d be hoping Tavares could elevate our 2nd line players to 1st line performance as he has in the past.  And our defense would be improved with Pietrangelo.

Not sure if there?s a team out there that would want to make that kind of deal.

Groundskeeper Willie

Quote from: princedpw on September 20, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
I?d be curious to know what we could get back if we tried to trade Marner.  I?d probably look for a Nazem Kadri-level center for the 3rd line as the biggest piece back, perhaps a scoring winger prospect who might be ready to take the leap, and a badish contract for a third/fourth liner or 6th D to even out the money a little.  11 million out in cap hit, and 2-3 players for ~7-8 million back in. I?d be hoping Tavares could elevate our 2nd line players to 1st line performance as he has in the past.  And our defense would be improved with Pietrangelo.

Not sure if there?s a team out there that would want to make that kind of deal.
You might be able to talk Calgary into a deal for a package centred on Johnny Gaudreau. He's still youngish, signed for over $4 million less against the cap, and almost as good as Marner.

Rumours have the flames wanting to make big changes, but I still don't see the Leafs moving Marner.