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Started by Highlander, March 03, 2020, 02:10:23 PM

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Nik

#30
Quote from: Bullfrog on March 09, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
If Nik wants to waste $8 a month on a multivitamin, that's harmless (except for the danger of him getting too much iron or other minerals).

How dare you.

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I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

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hockeyfan1

#32
I take 50,000 IUs of Vitamin D and a good multi-vitamin, multimineral iron-free supplement (and not just any brand).  I have health issues and malabsorption problems (inability to absorb nutrients from food).
My naturopath has very high standards toward health care products.  He has a top ten list of the best supplement manufacturers whose products actually contain what's listed on the bottle. 

Vitamins and natural products in general have never killed people except in certain cases compared to the number of people who die from medication complications in hospitals (and that is a well-known fact).

https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages

Also, I'd like to remind you that the FDA has never approved of a single natural product.  They are stacked with former Pharma executives who march to each other's beat.  The FDA was originally set up by pharmaceuticals to push their own interests. 

In Ontario, under the premiership of the David Peterson government, then health minister Monte Kwinter passed legislation that to this day stands:

https://vitalitymagazine.com/article/ode-great-politician/amp/

The incredible naïveté of some of you people on this board is mind boggling.  It's pretty obvious none of you know next to nothing about the history of medicine, pharmaceuticals, herbal medicine, the struggles some doctors went through in helping their patients achieve better health vs medical boards, mistreatment of women by mainstream medicine (from the past), etc., etc.

I know what I'm doing with my health.  While it still isn't where it should be and may never be, it's helping me cope with whatever symptoms I have to keep me alive and to be able to enjoy Leafs hockey. 🙂

Natural/integrative medical modalities have saved my life and I continue to stand by it.  While I am currently under no prescribed medications, I understand that they too can be life-saving. 

Once again, let me reiterate that no one is advocating people throw out their medicines, but if there is a way to a 50-50 approach or even greater, then all the better for patient outcome.  Medications all have side-defects, it practically comes with the territory and there really isn't much one can do about some greater and some minor, and taking them whatever they may be can cause long-term organ and general health damage to cells. 
Many doctors privately believe herbs are better than drugs, just as effective in the longer term.  Herbs have been around for thousands of years, long before pharmaceuticals were ever invented.

Everything has it's risks —do not self-medicate not even for natural products, always seek out the advice of a healthcare practitioner — which is why a pragmatic, practical, and realistic approach for one's health is truly the best advice.

Let's face it, nutrition and health & wellness have become the lexicon on everyone's lips.  It runs the gamut from health professionals to exercise & wellness experts.
What some of us may not know is that many of those in the natural medicine field were long endorsing the usage of supplementation in it's various forms, healthy eating habits, body/mind de stressing techniques, etcetera, etcetera, way before anyone had ever heard of it en masse.  That's who we have to thank long before the science behind it.

Highlander

Hockey Fan is right on, we can discount Hockey Fan or myself or other posters as this is SM. Fact of the matter if I read correctly is Hockey Fan has invested in herself, her time, her self education, in order to have a better life for herself.  This is worth something.  For myself much the same, years and years of educating myself and then to be discarded as a "snake oil salesman",  what a laugh.  I have a lot of other fish to fry right now. 
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

hockeyfan1

Quote from: Highlander on March 09, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
Hockey Fan is right on, we can discount Hockey Fan or myself or other posters as this is SM. Fact of the matter if I read correctly is Hockey Fan has invested in herself, her time, her self education, in order to have a better life for herself.  This is worth something.  For myself much the same, years and years of educating myself and then to be discarded as a "snake oil salesman",  what a laugh.  I have a lot of other fish to fry right now. 


Thank you, Highlander.  I appreciate it. 🙂

Nik

#35
Quote from: Highlander on March 09, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
For myself much the same, years and years of educating myself and then to be discarded as a "snake oil salesman",  what a laugh.

I don't think anyone accused you of selling the snake oil. In the immortal words of the great philosopher Dr. Shawn Carter, they're hustlers, you're customers.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Bullfrog

Quote from: hockeyfan1 on March 09, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
I take 50,000 IUs of Vitamin D and a good multi-vitamin, multimineral iron-free supplement (and not just any brand).  I have health issues and malabsorption problems (inability to absorb nutrients from food).
My naturopath has very high standards toward health care products.  He has a top ten list of the best supplement manufacturers whose products actually contain what's listed on the bottle. 
....

I hope you've conferred with your primary care physician. That's more than 10 times the safe upper limit for an adult and more than 60 times the recommended amount. 50,000 IUs could very well be contributing to ill health.

We all have the right to make our own decisions about our health (except for children), but when you're going that far out of the scientifically accepted range, that can be dangerous.

bustaheims

Quote from: Bullfrog on March 09, 2020, 04:40:36 PM
Quote from: hockeyfan1 on March 09, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
I take 50,000 IUs of Vitamin D and a good multi-vitamin, multimineral iron-free supplement (and not just any brand).  I have health issues and malabsorption problems (inability to absorb nutrients from food).
My naturopath has very high standards toward health care products.  He has a top ten list of the best supplement manufacturers whose products actually contain what's listed on the bottle. 
....

I hope you've conferred with your primary care physician. That's more than 10 times the safe upper limit for an adult and more than 60 times the recommended amount. 50,000 IUs could very well be contributing to ill health.

We all have the right to make our own decisions about our health (except for children), but when you're going that far out of the scientifically accepted range, that can be dangerous.

And, hopefully, that primary care physician is a fully licensed medical doctor, with the Doctorate of Medicine to confirm that status. The overwhelming majority of naturopath simply have not had the kind of education required to be dispensing advice when it relates to such abnormally high amounts of vitamins, minerals, or any other substance.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bates

Can anyone suggest something I can take to deal with the stockmarket beating I've taken in the last week?

Significantly Insignificant

I would like to know where my application to be the guitar playing guy next to fire stands?

I have another offer to be the guy who runs the farm where your not really sure if they are good or bad but they offer you food so you play it out and hope for the best. 
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan

bustaheims

Quote from: Bates on March 09, 2020, 05:23:50 PM
Can anyone suggest something I can take to deal with the stockmarket beating I've taken in the last week?

A stiff drink or three? I wouldn't get too concerned by it right now. Drops like this usually rebound once the panic subsides.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Stebro

The entire country of Italy will be in quarantee now...

Frank E

Quote from: bustaheims on March 09, 2020, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: Bates on March 09, 2020, 05:23:50 PM
Can anyone suggest something I can take to deal with the stockmarket beating I've taken in the last week?

A stiff drink or three? I wouldn't get too concerned by it right now. Drops like this usually rebound once the panic subsides.

I'm not even looking at my stuff right now...it's painful.

It's true that there is a typically very quick bounce back once things normalize, but there is also some suggestion that we were due for a correction, and therefore it might not bounce back to the way things were a month ago.

Stebro

Quote from: Bates on March 09, 2020, 05:23:50 PM
Can anyone suggest something I can take to deal with the stockmarket beating I've taken in the last week?
I'm in the same situation, I would say enjoy the simple things in life, be out in the nature, hang out with people that you like and put your focuse on something else.

Arn

Quote from: Stebro on March 09, 2020, 05:51:58 PM
The entire country of Italy will be in quarantee now...

An interesting, scary twitter thread from within a hospital in Italy worth reading:

https://twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933818654896129


We're beginning to see cases here in Ireland, northern and republic. At Patrick's day parades have been cancelled and I feel it might not be long until we have similar lockdowns to Italy.
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