Leafs acquire Jack Campbell and Kyle Clifford from LA

[LuncheonMeat]

About F'n time. Telling me he couldn't have made this trade weeks ago.

From the Dubas press conference post-deal:
Q: "The timing is obviously of note. Why now versus maybe weeks or even a month ago?"

Dubas: "If it had been available to do then, we would've done it then."

[Guilt Trip]

About F'n time. Telling me he couldn't have made this trade weeks ago.

From the Dubas press conference post-deal:
Q: "The timing is obviously of note. Why now versus maybe weeks or even a month ago?"

Dubas: "If it had been available to do then, we would've done it then."

That speaks to how he really feels about Hutch. You always need a dance partner cuz if there isn't one, you look like a crazy mofo unless of course you're Billy Idol!

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

About F'n time. Telling me he couldn't have made this trade weeks ago.

From the Dubas press conference post-deal:
Q: "The timing is obviously of note. Why now versus maybe weeks or even a month ago?"

Dubas: "If it had been available to do then, we would've done it then."

That speaks to how he really feels about Hutch. You always need a dance partner cuz if there isn't one, you look like a crazy mofo unless of course you're Billy Idol!

So let's sink another drink
Cause it'll give me time to think

[LuncheonMeat]

About F'n time. Telling me he couldn't have made this trade weeks ago.

From the Dubas press conference post-deal:
Q: "The timing is obviously of note. Why now versus maybe weeks or even a month ago?"

Dubas: "If it had been available to do then, we would've done it then."

That speaks to how he really feels about Hutch. You always need a dance partner cuz if there isn't one, you look like a crazy mofo unless of course you're Billy Idol!

So let's sink another drink
Cause it'll give me time to think

"What set you free and brought you to be me babe? What set you free I need you hear by me."

- Sheldon Keefe, in a call to Kyle Clifford shortly after the trade

[Bender]

Let's not forget that the Leafs are expending valuable assets to fix the backup goalie problem, and have lost valuable points in the standings this year and last year, when the Leafs already had a passable/acceptable solution.

This is a horse that needs to die already. The logic behind keeping Sparks was sound, and it made no sense to let the AHL Goaltender of the year leave for nothing vs an aging career backup potentially in decline. It didn't work out. That's it.

I agree this decision has been debated - but you and I disagree about the consequences of that decision.  That sound decision has ultimately led us to where we are today - expending assets to fix that "sound" and "logical" decision.   

Just because it doesn't fit a narrative, you just can't conclude that "It didn't work out. Thats it". 
It didn't work out as Sparks (and subsequently free asset Hutchinson) were not the answer, and we are now expending our limited assets to fix those decisions.

In what world did I say the consequence of Dubas' decision wasn't bad? The outcome is bad, I'm not ignorant of that. But I'm not going to die on the hill of consequentialism. Being a consequentialist gives you the ability took look at decisions and their consequences in hindsight. To just look at the consequences is ignoring the fog in front of you when you make those choices.

Example: You have two job opportunities. One opportunity is better pay, better hours, and there's room for growth but has potential to be less stable. The other job is less pay, worse hours, probably more stability but no room for growth. What's your decision making process? If the job you choose fails and you're out on your ass within a year was your deliberation bad? The consequence is bad, no doubt, but the process to arrive at your decision likely was sound.

I'm not saying don't hold Kyle accountable for bad decisions, theres plenty to go around, but at the time it was made and the rationale for making said decision wasn't bad (this wasn't a Rask for Raycroft trade!). Things don't always work out and I think it's a foolish argument that most people would or should, at the time of making the decision, have let Sparks walk over Mac because you have the luxury of hindsight to say it didn't work out.

[sickbeast]

What is the conditional third round pick conditional on?

This looks like a very good trade to me.  Anything can happen in the playoffs.  I just hope the Leafs can make it in.

[disco]

On a team desperately lacking in heaviness I'm sure this skilled forward corps will appreciate having someone there that offers some physical push-back in Kyle Clifford. Another bearded warrior from L.A. lands in Toronto.

[Guilt Trip]

What is the conditional third round pick conditional on?

This looks like a very good trade to me.  Anything can happen in the playoffs.  I just hope the Leafs can make it in.

If Clifford re-signs or if the Leafs make the playoffs And Campbell wins 6 regular season Games.

[herman]

https://theathletic.com/1589793/2020/02/06/leafs-nation-will-love-him-the-intangible-small-town-ethos-kyle-clifford-is-bringing-to-toronto/

The Centennials, he said, are run by alumni and hockey-loving locals. Barrie, 57, was a captain. At Christmas, players would receive T-shirts and shorts and running shoes. The gifts came from a booster who lived on the other side of the continent.

Clifford would send word before the holidays that a package was en route. Barrie said the clothes were branded for the Centennials, even though it might have been easier — and less time-consuming — for Clifford to send along clothing and memorabilia from the Kings.

"He took the time to make sure our boys got Ayr Centennials gear," Barrie said. "And it didn't say 'Kyle Clifford' on it. That, right there, shows what kind of guy he is."

Bye bye second round pick

[CarltonTheBear]

Bye bye second round pick

My desire to want to bring him back is really going to clash with my desire to not have 4th liners making over $1mil.

[Bates]

Bye bye second round pick

My desire to want to bring him back is really going to clash with my desire to not have 4th liners making over $1mil.

pitch the job after playing angle. But then again he probably has that in LA.

[Guilt Trip]

Bye bye second round pick

My desire to want to bring him back is really going to clash with my desire to not have 4th liners making over $1mil.

Let's see how he does before we re-sign him for over a mill. I hope he plays well so it makes Dubas want to sign him.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

Let's take a moment to thank Trevor Moore for this:

https://www.bardown.com/trevor-moore-absolutey-demolished-zdeno-chara-in-game-1-between-the-leafs-and-bruins-1.1289617

We'll always have that, Trevor. 

[Guilt Trip]

Let's take a moment to thank Trevor Moore for this:

https://www.bardown.com/trevor-moore-absolutey-demolished-zdeno-chara-in-game-1-between-the-leafs-and-bruins-1.1289617

We'll always have that, Trevor. 

I remember that well. It was awesome. Best of luck to Moore. Nice that he's going home.

[Highlander]

Thank Trevor, you have Moore to give. Hope you can help turn the LA Kings back into the prominent team they just were.