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WHOA - Mike Babcock OUT | Sheldon Keefe IN

Started by herman, November 20, 2019, 04:32:23 PM

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Bender

Quote from: herman on November 21, 2019, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on November 21, 2019, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: herman on November 21, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
I found what Babcock was very focused on, in terms of player development, was not pushing their ceilings production-wise, but raising their floors to round out their games. Build up their foundational structure and fundamentals and then layer on opportunities to be creative in safety. I agree with that philosophy in general for a rebuild with a lot of young players, but that is not the right focus for someone already at the peak or end of their development curve.

If you look at Kadri and Rielly, and the young guys Matthews, Marner, Nylander (minus holdout) Dermott, Kapanen, Johnsson, Hyman, they all flourished under Babcock. I think there's something to be said for that when you look at how some other teams often struggle developing their young talent.

Our younger players who developed primarily in the NHL are better off having gone through this than to skip to simply leaning into a run and gun style, which is so beholden to shooting percentage for success.

Unfortunately, that philosophy was also applied in game decisions, even when the playoffs were on the line, when I thought it'd be the perfect time to flip the switch. Good teams have the ability to do both: build their game methodically to establish positioning without opening up defensive gaps, and flex into a more aggressive mode to press for chances.

Exactly. I mean you can't be obviously outcoached in back to back playoff rounds, have a bad record going back to mid last year and be terrible out of the gate and sticking to a process that has bad underlying numbers and bad results with the hope that it turns around. You can't tell your team to just keep grinding the same old crap if it's not working. I wonder if Rielly and Tavares told Babcock that they're having trouble executing what they're asking or the results aren't there and asked if they could try something different.

Babcock's been fairly stubborn in what he believes is the right way to win and the lack of even in game adjustments is nuts. It took him how long to adjust the pairings? They sent down Sandin because he had one bad game but he continues to run Rielly/Ceci out there night after night? Come on.

"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Bullfrog

Quote from: herman on November 21, 2019, 01:36:43 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/11/21/in-firing-babcock-a-rebuild-ends-and-a-new-era-begins/

This was a long read and a good one, but I'm sure some of you will find the can time to pull through.

Sorry, I'm too busy workin........  lol. Sorry, i tried.

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

Strangelove

Quote from: herman on November 21, 2019, 02:45:34 PM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/11/21/kyle-dubas-and-brendan-shanahan-address-the-media-we-are-going-to-go-through-some-changes-stylistically-and-with-our-systems/

Transcript of the Dubas/Shanahan media address from today, November 21, 2019

Nice to have public recognition of what many people have suspected for years - Babcock's "system" was inconsistent with the skillset of the team and the way the roster is built/designed to play.

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag


4EVRLEAFAN

Quote from: disco on November 21, 2019, 04:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1197571535231434752

All well and good, if they respond we'll still only have a team that will make the playoffs. Without some toughness on the D we'll never win a Cup.

AvroArrow

Quote from: 4EVRLEAFAN on November 21, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
All well and good, if they respond we'll still only have a team that will make the playoffs. Without some toughness on the D we'll never win a Cup.

Define "toughness".

herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

herman

The problem isn't toughness, it's get-the-puckiveness.
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

herman

https://twitter.com/account4hockey/status/1197631802107662342

Oh good thing we are only loosening up for production after the Big Three were signed.
"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag


sickbeast

Mirtle is reporting that 90% of the players were happy to see Babcock go.  Seeing Babcock only thank Morgan Reilly is pretty telling.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: sickbeast on November 21, 2019, 08:51:38 PM
Mirtle is reporting that 90% of the players were happy to see Babcock go.  Seeing Babcock only thank Morgan Reilly is pretty telling.
No shock there.

Bullfrog

As a surprise to no one, Mike Commodore went on quite the twitter rant today. He's such a POS.