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Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet

Started by Nik, November 10, 2019, 09:43:51 AM

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WAYNEINIONA


Don has been stirring the pot for years. I didn't expect him to go out quietly,

Guilt Trip

Quote from: WAYNEINIONA on November 11, 2019, 04:31:57 PM

Don has been stirring the pot for years. I didn't expect him to go out quietly,
Oh he def could stir the pot lol.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: Nik Bethune on November 11, 2019, 02:48:17 PM

This was really a brave choice on Sportsnet's part. Cherry's very popular but racism has no place on a hockey broadcast. Maybe that stuff would have been ok in the past but not now in 2003.

Maybe this went over peoples' heads but a thumbs up to you.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on November 11, 2019, 03:54:37 PM
Hey, United States, if we can get rid of Don Cherry, you can surely get rid of Donald Trump.

If only.  That would require us to establish a democracy first.

iwas11in67

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
So, like, what are the odds Cherry runs for the head of the Conservative Party next?

Nothing like painting all conservatives as racists. Isn't that racism.


Nik

Quote from: iwas11in67 on November 11, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
So, like, what are the odds Cherry runs for the head of the Conservative Party next?

Nothing like painting all conservatives as racists. Isn't that racism.

I'm pretty sure Conservative isn't a race of people so...no?
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 11, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.

Like I said earlier, I think they'd have let Cherry himself skate with a half-hearted apology.

People may complain about him getting fired for offensive remarks or PC culture or whatever other made up nonsense but I think the stark reality is he's only losing his job because of a completely unreasonable stubbornness.

Which, you know, I'd grudgingly respect if it was anyone else.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 11, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.
Yes because in this world if you say something wrong, or give the thumbs up, as long as you apologize you're good. Cherry wouldn't so he was fired. Ron apparently likes his job more then Cherry does.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: iwas11in67 on November 11, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
So, like, what are the odds Cherry runs for the head of the Conservative Party next?

Nothing like painting all conservatives as racists. Isn't that racism.

It's going to be even funnier when this actually happens now.

Highlander

Quote from: Bullfrog on November 11, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 11, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
You just can't say what you mean anymore.  Politically correct is the only correct, kind of scary actually.

You clearly don't understand it, do you?
Oh, I think I do and maybe more than you can imagine.  I never said I agree with what Don said by the way. I don't.  I also didn't agree with the burning of books either.  What I am defending is the right of Don to say what he thinks, Men died for us to have the "freedom" to speak our minds, to burn our flag if that is what we want to do, not that I personally agree with that either (actually that abhors me).

When men lose the right to speak their minds, to have a controversial opinion to the masses, then we all lose a little bit of our "freedom", and we actually insult the men who died for us. To have the basic right of freedom of speech.   I get what true freedom means Bullfrog.  However when we all have to bend to the masses, when social media dictates what we can say, then we are on a slippery slope.
Politically correct is where we now live, but who dictates the policy of our Politics?

Outside of all his volatility of, his speaking his mind, he did more for our armed forces, police and firefighters than any other single Canadian that I can think of.  To fire him is fine, but it could have been done tomorrow it would have been kinder (see what 35 years of service gets you).  Don was and is a Dinosaur and we all know that they are now extinct. 

See how Social Media bends major companies?  Pretty powerful and when you see how AI is going to change all our lives in the next 10-15 years, watch out. Then you will see what Freedoms we truly have.



"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Highlander on November 11, 2019, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Bullfrog on November 11, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 11, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
You just can't say what you mean anymore.  Politically correct is the only correct, kind of scary actually.

You clearly don't understand it, do you?
Oh, I think I do and maybe more than you can imagine.  I never said I agree with what Don said by the way. I don't.  I also didn't agree with the burning of books either.  What I am defending is the right of Don to say what he thinks, Men died for us to have the "freedom" to speak our minds, to burn our flag if that is what we want to do, not that I personally agree with that either (actually that abhors me).

When men lose the right to speak their minds, to have a controversial opinion to the masses, then we all lose a little bit of our "freedom", and we actually insult the men who died for us. To have the basic right of freedom of speech.   I get what true freedom means Bullfrog.  However when we all have to bend to the masses, when social media dictates what we can say, then we are on a slippery slope.
Politically correct is where we now live, but who dictates the policy of our Politics?

Outside of all his volatility of, his speaking his mind, he did more for our armed forces, police and firefighters than any other single Canadian that I can think of.  To fire him is fine, but it could have been done tomorrow it would have been kinder (see what 35 years of service gets you).  Don was and is a Dinosaur and we all know that they are now extinct. 

See how Social Media bends major companies?  Pretty powerful and when you see how AI is going to change all our lives in the next 10-15 years, watch out. Then you will see what Freedoms we truly have.




Very well said Highlander.

Highlander

Quote from: Nik Bethune on November 11, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 11, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.

Like I said earlier, I think they'd have let Cherry himself skate with a half-hearted apology.

People may complain about him getting fired for offensive remarks or PC culture or whatever other made up nonsense but I think the stark reality is he's only losing his job because of a completely unreasonable stubbornness.

Which, you know, I'd grudgingly respect if it was anyone else.
How could he apologize for something he said and meant, that was his freedom to say, that men died so he could say it, no matter how much it antagonizes people.  The real fault is Sportsnet knows Don was a very loose cannon, to say the least. Why he didn't have a censor working with him on each and every episode is a major fault of a huge conglomerate network of companies. Someone at Sportnet F--ked up as well and they should also take responsibility for letting a known "Howard Beale" rant on National TV every week.  As a matter of fact as a one of the angry masses, I demand that Sportsnet fires someone for allowing Don not to be censored........see how it works???
"In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"
                                           Sunryn Suzuki

harps64

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on November 11, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
So, like, what are the odds Cherry runs for the head of the Conservative Party next?

That's not cool CTB.
Are you saying that if you're a conservative your ideals
are the same as Cherry's?

If it's a joke, it's in poor taste.

TimKerr

Quote from: Highlander on November 11, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Nik Bethune on November 11, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 11, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.

Like I said earlier, I think they'd have let Cherry himself skate with a half-hearted apology.

People may complain about him getting fired for offensive remarks or PC culture or whatever other made up nonsense but I think the stark reality is he's only losing his job because of a completely unreasonable stubbornness.

Which, you know, I'd grudgingly respect if it was anyone else.
How could he apologize for something he said and meant, that was his freedom to say, that men died so he could say it, no matter how much it antagonizes people.  The real fault is Sportsnet knows Don was a very loose cannon, to say the least. Why he didn't have a censor working with him on each and every episode is a major fault of a huge conglomerate network of companies. Someone at Sportnet F--ked up as well and they should also take responsibility for letting a known "Howard Beale" rant on National TV every week.  As a matter of fact as a one of the angry masses, I demand that Sportsnet fires someone for allowing Don not to be censored........see how it works???

Do you know what Freedom of Expression actually means? Don is more than entitled to his opinions and he is more entitled to say them whenever he wants. The difference is Sportsnet and Rogers also has the "freedom' to fire his dumbass when he says something stupid. Freedom of expression is the freedom to say want you want, it isn't the freedom to be exempt from the consequences of your words.
If Don was just an old man on Twitter and had this opinion, no one would have given him a second glance.But you don't get to go on national television and denigrate other people for something that isn't even true and expect to skate away scot free.