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Federal Election 2019

Started by Nik, October 21, 2019, 10:17:39 PM

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Bender

Quote from: Bullfrog on October 22, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Can't stand listening to Scheer. He hasn't even returned to Ottawa and all he does is answer every question with "when this government falls, we'll be ready to lead the country." Same answer for every question.

Like, what are you going to meaningfully do in the meantime apart from yelling at the Libs and NDP?
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Bullfrog

Talk about how he's going to work with the other parties to address the problems in Alberta and Sask, perhaps?

hockeyfan1

#32
The fact that Scheer distanced himself from the Ontario Ford Conservatives largely due to their unpopularity does not necessarily mean that he doesn't affiliate himself with similar opinions or policies on certain contentious issues such as abortion, LGBTQ rights, etc.

Scheer is close to ex-PM Harper and has attempted to present himself as 'different' even though that description is open to debate on the exact definition on what he would present.
More often than not, a leader may not associate oneself to any one ideal or policy of another counterpart and that alone doesn't necessarily define the way one may go about circumventing the issue yet arriving at a sameness involving policy.

This attempts to illustrate:

QuoteScheer is not Harper; nor is he Ford. But what both the Harper and Ford governments teach us is that politicians who espouse views like those held by Scheer tend to be closely connected to one another, not only because they make similar policy decisions but also because they surround themselves with similar people.

Much more than the Ford government, the Harper government shows us that a leader can promise not to re-open the abortion and same-sex marriage debates while still making policy decisions that undermine the rights of women and LGBTQ individuals.

So those who claim that Scheer's positions on a woman's right to choose and a same-sex couple's right to marry are irrelevant so long as he refuses to re-open debate are missing the point.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/09/27/To-Understand-Scheer-Look-To-Harper-Era/


Also:

Quote...it is often pragmatic for political parties at different levels to maintain separation, because it allows them to pursue necessary policies in their jurisdiction, which might not be popular with the party at the other level. The following examples, noted by journalist John Ibbiston, illustrate this point well:

[t]he federation always worked best when opposite parties inhabited Queen's Park and Parliament Hill. Frost and St. Laurent; Davis and Trudeau; even Peterson and Mulroney, at least on constitutional matters. Things always seemed to deteriorate, however, when identical parties were in both ministers' offices. John Diefenbaker had a testy relationship with Leslie Frost; Bill Davis's relations with Brian Mulroney were far less cordial than with Pierre Trudeau. And there were the epic confrontations between Mitch Hepburn and McKenzie King.

http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/repository/mon/23008/294748.pdf


Ontario has tended to traditionally vote Liberal provincially and a Conservative federally:

Trudeau (Federal) 1971-1984 Lib  -  Davis (Provincial) 1971-1985 PC
Mulroney (Federal) 1984-1993  PC   - Peterson (Provincial) 1985-1990 Lib                                - Bob Rae (Provincial) 1990-1995  NDP
Chrétien (Federal)  1993-2003  Lib   - Bob Rae  (Provincial) 1990-1995   NDP                                   
Paul Martin (Federal) 2003-2006 Lib  -Mike Harris (Provincial) 1995-2002  Con           
                                                     - Ernie Eves (Provincial) 2002-2003  Con
Stephen Harper (Federal) 2006-2014  Con - Dalton McGuinty (Provincial) 2003-2013  Lib
J. Trudeau (Federal) 2014-2019 Lib     - Kathleen Wynne (Provincial) 2013-2018 Lib
                                                       - Doug Ford (Provincial) 2018–  Con                                           

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Nik Bethune on October 22, 2019, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 21, 2019, 11:46:10 PM
So, looking at the ON results maps, the northern areas are NDP/Green-ish?  Interesting.

The NDP started out as a Prairie/Farmer's party and they do have a pretty good rural/agrarian support as well as good support among indigenous voters.

Sudbury has always been a strong NDP community until the last couple elections. I've always felt it was the Unions in the mines that were keeping them in power.


herman

"Can't let the poison get to you"
#BeBlessed #scumbag

Frank E


CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
Peter MacKay, you're up.

You think he'll have the leg up over Ford or Kenney?

Nik


Huh, I guess being an insurance broker doesn't pay as well as I'd assumed.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Nik


I'm always disappointed by Liberal governments who seem to be hopelessly corrupted by power. The Conservatives, god bless them, don't even need the power. That's market efficiency for you.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Frank E

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Frank E on December 12, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
Peter MacKay, you're up.

You think he'll have the leg up over Ford or Kenney?

I think Ford and Kenney are a little busy with their first term as Premiers.

MacKay has 17 years experience in the HOC, and held some very prominent cabinet positions.  I think he's a smart guy, and he could appeal to a broader audience than Kenney or, goodness forbid, Ford.

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Andy

Quote from: Nik Bethune on December 12, 2019, 01:25:18 PM

Huh, I guess being an insurance broker doesn't pay as well as I'd assumed.

Or that having a degree in criminology gives one a sense of what constitutes a crime...