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Zaitsev trade ideas

Started by CarltonTheBear, May 31, 2019, 09:43:46 AM

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louisstamos

Quote from: Joe S. on June 03, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 31, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I'm all for Clarke MacArthur retiring a Leaf on LTIR, let's make it happen.

Wasn't his departure very acrimonious? I know he was a free agent, but didn't he slam the door on the way out?

Yup - Randy Carlyle basically had him as a healthy scratch going into the '13 playoffs (he didn't play until Game #4), so he basically said he would never play for Carlyle ever again after that.

CarltonTheBear


Bender

"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Bender on June 04, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
I know! Which one would you want?

My personal rankings would be Pesce, Hamilton, Faulk.

Not considering contracts, the gaps between all 3 isn't very big I don't think. But Pesce having 5 years left at a great AAV gives him a huge boost, while Faulk being a year away from UFA of course does the opposite.

princedpw

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 04, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
I know! Which one would you want?

My personal rankings would be Pesce, Hamilton, Faulk.

Not considering contracts, the gaps between all 3 isn't very big I don't think. But Pesce having 5 years left at a great AAV gives him a huge boost, while Faulk being a year away from UFA of course does the opposite.

I agree — I would def take the youngest guy with the longest current contract.

If they can get Pesce in a deal like that, that would be amazing. I'm kinda surprised that Carolina would go for this though.  They don't need Zaitsev, and Pesce for Kappy already seems tilted in the leafs favor given the typical price for RHD.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 02:49:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1135979630811385856

Uh, yeah, this idea please.
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

How would you feel about a Kapanen for Pesce trade straight up? Because that'd be highway robbery for the Leafs, especially when you consider Pesce's sweetheart contract.

bustaheims

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

You're not getting Pesce for less than that - especially in a deal where the Leafs move Zaitsev, too. Kapanen straight up for Pesce is already good value for the Leafs.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Guilt Trip

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

How would you feel about a Kapanen for Pesce trade straight up? Because that'd be highway robbery for the Leafs, especially when you consider Pesce's sweetheart contract.
I'm probably wrong but a top 6 forward for a 2nd pair D man?  I think it would be a good deal for both teams. Maybe we'd have to add a pick. I don't see it as robbery for the Leafs.
I guess my big objection when looking at that deal is that I don't like the idea of dumping Zaitsev for literally nothing. Yes we don't like his contract but he is still a serviceable RHD man. They're valuable and he played well with Muzz.
Is Pesce that much of an upgrade on Zaitsev? Their contracts aren't that different.

bustaheims

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
I'm probably wrong but a top 6 forward for a 2nd pair D man?  I think it would be a good deal for both teams. Maybe we'd have to add a pick. I don't see it as robbery for the Leafs.

Except that Kapanen is the Leafs' 3rd line RW, behind Nylander and Marner. So, you're really looking at a 3rd line winger for a guy who could conceivably be the Leafs' top pairing RD. Definitely in the Leafs' favour, without question.

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
I guess my big objection when looking at that deal is that I don't like the idea of dumping Zaitsev for literally nothing. Yes we don't like his contract but he is still a serviceable RHD man. They're valuable and he played well with Muzz.
Is Pesce that much of an upgrade on Zaitsev? Their contracts aren't that different.

Yes, Pesce is that much of an upgrade over Zaitsev. You're right in that Z is still a serviceable RHD, he's just overpaid by $1.5M-$2M per season for what he's actually been able to contribute. Pesce, on the other hand, is probably underpaid by $1M-$1.5M.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

AvroArrow

That would be a ridiculously sweet deal!

Guilt Trip

Thx Busta. Appreciate the insight. I would only say that you are calling Kappy a 3rd line guy, but the reality was he played in our top 6, so we'll call him that in trade talks with other teams, lol. Nylander maybe our 3rd lline centre if Kadri is gone so Kappy would remain top 6..

bustaheims

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
Thx Busta. Appreciate the insight. I would only say that you are calling Kappy a 3rd line guy, but the reality was he played in our top 6, so we'll call him that in trade talks with other teams, lol. Nylander maybe our 3rd lline centre if Kadri is gone so Kappy would remain top 6..

Even if Kadri goes, I suspect the team would look into bringing in a two-way guy to replace him instead of putting Nylander in that role. Nylander as 3rd line C should really be a worst case scenario.

As for Kapanen, he probably would be a 2nd liner on most other teams, sure. Which means the Leafs would be dealing from a position of strength to address an area of weakness - so, basically, roster management 101.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Zee

Zaitsev to Canucks (E4)

E for Elliot Friedman

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Geez, if it was Pesce for Kapanen, even straight up, you do that trade all day.

I'd have considered him relatively good value for Nylander during the holdout, let alone Kapanen.