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Coaching and management changes around the league

Started by herman, April 08, 2019, 11:00:19 AM

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Bender

There is no chance in hell I'm giving my employer my own private photos on my phone to review. That's just ridiculous. If he asked for a picture of my family I'm all for it, but anything beyond that is an invasion of privacy for literally no justifiable reason.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Guilt Trip

#736
Quote from: Peter D. on September 16, 2023, 01:22:50 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2023, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on September 15, 2023, 08:04:11 PMThis story still seems to me to be blown out of proportion more than it needs to be.

I don't see the harm asking the players to see photos of their family as a means to get to know them on a personable level.

Now, if he asked them to hand over their phone and he was scrolling through the pics at his discretion, then yeah, that is creepy.  No guy wants someone else looking at their phone (particularly their wife or significant other haha).

As mentioned above, if this was Dubas he'd be considered a saint being so personable.  But it being Babcock, who is known to be an unsympathetic jerk, he will not be given any benefit of the doubt.  Even still, I think this is relatively harmless, provided he's not scrolling through and stumbling across a bunch of inappropriate private photos.
Totally disagree. You don't need to see my PERSONAL pics to get to know me. It's one thing for a player to volunteer them and another to ask to see them. And asking a  player who doesn't want to share puts them in a very awkward position seeing they will most likely feel pressure to show them because of Babs' power. Add in It's creepy.
There's a reason they're expanding the investigation.

Does a teacher who asks their students to bring in photos of their family for a family tree or a timeline cross the line?

If someone who I'm chatting with, whether I know them or barely do says, "You have three kids...you're busy and blessed...do you mind sharing a photo of them so I can see what they look like?", I don't take it as anything more than curiosity and happily oblige. 

Now, if someone says, "You have a teenage daughter eh...would love to see a picture of her," then I'd take that as downright creepy.

Who the heck knows where this story falls.  I'd like to think Babcock is not stupid to have this be anything more than genuine interest in getting to know a player on a personal level.  Since this was done with every player, I also don't feel he was picking on or isolating certain players, nor made it an attempt to stumble on scandalous or nude photos or something.
Babs is an idiot and like O Dog said, it's so he can have something on everyone. This getting to know you garbage  is pure bull#$#%.
So someone you barely knows asks to see pics of your kids and you think that's ok? Sorry that's creepy. I've never ever met anyone who's asked that isn't a close personal friend and that is beyond rare because you typically volunteer pics with your closest friends. Now you wanna, see my dog.
As for a teacher asking. If there's no note going home outlining the project, yes it's over the line. Chances are though the teacher will send something home to inform the parents, who ultimately have the final say.



L K

There is a power divide and looking through someones phone isn't the same thing as asking for show and tell.

I don't really understand how that isn't pretty obvious.

Can I see photos of your kids vs. give me your phone to see those photos are two completely different requests.  One is reasonable, the other is absurd.  If you don't know that in 2023 you shouldn't be coaching.

Peter D.

#738
Quote from: Guilt Trip on September 18, 2023, 10:57:01 PMBabs is an idiot and like O Dog said, it's so he can have something on everyone. This getting to know you garbage  is pure bull#$#%.
So someone you barely knows asks to see pics of your kids and you think that's ok? Sorry that's creepy. I've never ever met anyone who's asked that isn't a close personal friend and that is beyond rare because you typically volunteer pics with your closest friends. Now you wanna, see my dog.
As for a teacher asking. If there's no note going home outlining the project, yes it's over the line. Chances are though the teacher will send something home to inform the parents, who ultimately have the final say.

Yes, whenever I'd had a new boss or co-workers ask to see photos of my family, I have never felt the least bit uncomfortable showing a photo from my phone or pulling up some on my computer screen.  As for a teacher seeing a note home, I really see no difference.  Asking an adult for verbal permission and choosing to do so is practically the same as sending a note home.

Regardless, what's come out on the story is pure insanity.  Babcock actually asking to scroll through players' phones is sheer stupidity.  No one wants anyone touching their phone and going through it, so don't know how he thought this was acceptable. Wonder how he coerced those uncomfortable (presumably the younger players) into this since veterans like Jenner and Gaudreau saw nothing wrong with what he did.

Zee

#739
Those are quite the allegations you're making there on O'Dog with no evidence or rumors of the sort about him.

Yeah, you're right.  I've removed it.

I'm just talking broad picture here and the filth that is the NHL "culture".  The bullying of young players from junior to draft eligibility to their first few years in the NHL is prominent, and isn't independent to Babcock. 

herman

#740
https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1704129975065219102
SC has its own issues, but Bisonette is pretty right here in terms of the crux of the message. There was more that happened that didn't make it to public consumption.

The uh, methodology prescribed at the end there is not helpful though; again, SC has their issues too.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Dappleganger

Quote from: herman on September 19, 2023, 09:29:55 AMhttps://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1704129975065219102
SC has its own issues, but Bisonette is pretty right here in terms of the crux of the message. There was more that happened that didn't make it to public consumption.

The uh, methodology prescribed at the end there is not helpful though; again, SC has their issues too.

Two wrongs make a right? 🤦�♂️

Guilt Trip


Peter D.

Quote from: herman on September 19, 2023, 09:29:55 AMhttps://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1704129975065219102
SC has its own issues, but Bisonette is pretty right here in terms of the crux of the message. There was more that happened that didn't make it to public consumption.

The uh, methodology prescribed at the end there is not helpful though; again, SC has their issues too.

I hope they apply the same methodology if they find out about younger players being bullied in the dressing room by veteran teammates. 

herman

#27 #TeamFasstholes

herman

#745
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/16mqptv/paul_bissionette_ryan_whitney_on_babcock
For the precis of what they discussed (if you aren't interested in the pod; I'm not but I think I'll have to pip in on this one, sheesh).

This is all, in a legal sense, hearsay, second-hand information. Because of the sheer volume and level of creativity required to conjure these anecdotes, it strains credulity to say Babcock is just misunderstood or that SC folks are blowing things out of proportion. Even this tip of the iceberg is next level awful, just south of discriminatory.

Anyway, apropos of nothing, back in 2017-18 Mitch Marner needed to draw :) and a reference to his dog to remind himself to have fun on the ice. Auston Matthews followed suit.
https://twitter.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1596696093882023940
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Arn

I just don't get, after the issues you had in your prior job, then sitting without a similar role for 3 years, why you would do ANYTHING that could even be seen as slightly questionable or even open to being misconstrued in the slightest.

You'd be going out to be cleaner than clean, surely.
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Arn on September 19, 2023, 05:16:00 PMI just don't get, after the issues you had in your prior job, then sitting without a similar role for 3 years, why you would do ANYTHING that could even be seen as slightly questionable or even open to being misconstrued in the slightest.

You'd be going out to be cleaner than clean, surely.
Babs never thought he did anything wrong and has never apologized. Even in this case...nothing in his statement.  A terrible human


CarltonTheBear

Hopefully Columbus is able to get past this quickly because I think they've got a pretty exciting team there. Nice mix between in their prime stars like Gaudreau, Werenski, and Laine and future stars like Fantilli, Johnson, and Jiricek (if he plays, which is probably more likely without Babcock). They would need a very, very good goalie dice roll from Merzlikins to have a shot at the playoffs but regardless should be a fun team.