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What is the trade value (realistically) for Dion Phaneuf?

Started by x.jr.benchwarmer, June 21, 2015, 02:52:54 PM

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x.jr.benchwarmer

With the upcoming draft, and trade talks ostensibly heating up, it is interesting to see what, if any, offers the Leafs will get for Phaneuf.

Reportedly, the Leafs were offered Weiss and Smith, from Detroit, for Phaneuf, but the Leafs turned it down on the trade dead-line date this past season.  Will the Leafs get more than that over the next few weeks?  Hopefully so, but IMHO the market for him might not be too strong, for a variety of reasons.  This might especially be the case in light of the apparent disinterest of the Red Wings now to make a trade for Phaneuf.

Again, reportedly, Nonis declined the offer this past year because he thought that he could get more for Phaneuf during the summer.  (And Nonis also reportedly had discussions with Shanahan just before he was fired that he felt that Phaneuf was one of the elite defencemen or at least could be one of the elite defencemen in the NHL).

I would suggest that the Leafs might be better served just trading him for the most that they can get now as he does not fit into their plans for youth and speed, and he also plays virtually every power play cutting into Gardiner or Reilly's minutes on the power play.

But it would be interesting to see what others might think of his trade value, since there doesn't seem to be a lot of articles right now about an imminent trade involving him.

jdh1

I think he,s worth a 2nd rounder and a very good prospect coming our way...however if someone wants to dump salary on us,then a 1st rounder is in order plus the same kind of prospect....I would say.

sneakyray

I think Toronto finds one good to great prospect they like and build a package around that.

like Ritchie, or draisatl...and then just ya know add maybe a lower pick and a salary dump


Britishbulldog

I guess I would ask what team in the NHL need a hard hitting, minute eating, 6'3" dman signed to a typical (or should I say reasonable) contract for his ability?

Edmonton?  Anaheim? Carolina?  Florida?

If Phaneuf isn't needed anywhere than I would say his value is low.  If there are some teams that could use his skillset then he obviously is worth more.  I just know if he is needed.
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Quote from: Britishbulldog on June 21, 2015, 06:45:12 PM
I guess I would ask what team in the NHL need a hard hitting, minute eating, 6'3" dman signed to a typical (or should I say reasonable) contract for his ability?

Edmonton?  Anaheim? Carolina?  Florida?

If Phaneuf isn't needed anywhere than I would say his value is low.  If there are some teams that could use his skillset then he obviously is worth more.  I just know if he is needed.

Value is the question and I concur that Phaneuf is reasonably priced as ar as his contract is concerned.

If, as it appears, some GM is going to pay Franson somewhere north of $5M per year on a multi-year deal, then IMO, Phaneuf is a bargain. Considering what (I hope) Mike Babpenis (I am cleaning up my act) can accomplish with Dion, he may stay as an improved lament of next years team until the dead tradeline (dyslexia intended) when he should garner more in return.

Next summer, the going rate for UFA blue liners of Franson's ilk will be higher, maybe $6M, and Phanny will look even more attractive despite the one  more year on his age ... but, as I say, he will most likely be gone before then.

Significantly Insignificant

Wasn't there a rumour floating around on Leafs Lunch or one of those other radio shows that Shanahan and Babcock had pretty much given up on rehabilitating Kessel, but thought that they may be able to work with Dion. 

Not saying they should keep him, but I thought I heard the talking heads discussing that.
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caveman

That makes for an interesting question...if the Leafs only trade one big contract who do you prefer to leave ?? Kessel or Phaneuf ??

Dappleganger

Quote from: caveman on June 21, 2015, 09:37:53 PM
That makes for an interesting question...if the Leafs only trade one big contract who do you prefer to leave ?? Kessel or Phaneuf ??

Phanuef. The captain who can't lead.

losveratos

Quote from: dappleganger on June 21, 2015, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: caveman on June 21, 2015, 09:37:53 PM
That makes for an interesting question...if the Leafs only trade one big contract who do you prefer to leave ?? Kessel or Phaneuf ??

Phanuef. The captain who can't lead.

Hey! Don't disrespect the best DJ in the NHL.

CarltonTheBear

I think both Friedman and Dreger reported that the Wings offer for Phaneuf at the deadline as Brendan Smith, Stephen Weiss and Teemu Pulkkinen. If there was no salary retention involved then I think that's a pretty fair offer. I don't think the Wings make that deal now though just because it seems like Blashill is a bigger fan of Pulkkinen than Babcock was.

So using that as a template, a fair offer is a good (but not great) prospect, a young-ish roster player, and a bad contract with a few years left on it in lieu of salary retention.

ThatLeafsFan

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2015, 06:55:28 AM
I think both Friedman and Dreger reported that the Wings offer for Phaneuf at the deadline as Brendan Smith, Stephen Weiss and Teemu Pulkkinen. If there was no salary retention involved then I think that's a pretty fair offer. I don't think the Wings make that deal now though just because it seems like Blashill is a bigger fan of Pulkkinen than Babcock was.

So using that as a template, a fair offer is a good (but not great) prospect, a young-ish roster player, and a bad contract with a few years left on it in lieu of salary retention.

I agree with this, because the trade we got Phaneuf in, sure it had other players involved but when you factor out what we really traded for him and got, this is on par with it, and his value hasn't really gone up. It has gone down with his contract, if not stayed the same.

x.jr.benchwarmer

Quote from: Leafaholic99 on June 22, 2015, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 22, 2015, 06:55:28 AM
I think both Friedman and Dreger reported that the Wings offer for Phaneuf at the deadline as Brendan Smith, Stephen Weiss and Teemu Pulkkinen. If there was no salary retention involved then I think that's a pretty fair offer. I don't think the Wings make that deal now though just because it seems like Blashill is a bigger fan of Pulkkinen than Babcock was.

So using that as a template, a fair offer is a good (but not great) prospect, a young-ish roster player, and a bad contract with a few years left on it in lieu of salary retention.

I agree with this, because the trade we got Phaneuf in, sure it had other players involved but when you factor out what we really traded for him and got, this is on par with it, and his value hasn't really gone up. It has gone down with his contract, if not stayed the same.

That is a good point.  The Leafs got Phaneuf, Aulie and Sjostrom for Stajan, White, Myers, and Hagman.  So any modest return for Phaneuf, now, would be a bonus.

What also might be worth noting was that Kypreos stated that the Leafs were going to get a new captain by the start of next season.  Rhetorically, how can Phaneuf fit into the new management team's plans, and why would they want to keep him any longer than necessary?

If they got a second and a prospect, without taking back much, if any, salary, this would be a decent return, IMHO.  (This is particularly so in light of a recent article indicating that the Leafs would probably have to take back Kessel's salary if they traded him, according to two unnamed GM's, which would be extremely counter-productive from the Leafs' perspective, especially given Kessel's upside as a goal scorer).

Frank E

What the asset is worth today should have nothing to do with what it was worth 4 years ago, for better or worse.

Different market, different timing, different contract value/term.

herman

Quote from: Frank E on June 22, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
What the asset is worth today should have nothing to do with what it was worth 4 years ago, for better or worse.

Different market, different timing, different contract value/term.

Exactly.

What we do need to strive for are assets that are trending upward (developing towards peak value), like prospects and picks. If we need to take on short-term depreciating pieces to balance the deal, so be it.

My ideal trade would be a package to Edmonton for one of their 2nd-tier forwards (Yakupov/Draisaitl), 2015's 16th pick (or a 2016 1st Rder), and salary dump(s) for Phaneuf + Reimer + a good AHLer (Loov?).
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Frank E

Quote from: herman on June 22, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: Frank E on June 22, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
What the asset is worth today should have nothing to do with what it was worth 4 years ago, for better or worse.

Different market, different timing, different contract value/term.

Exactly.

What we do need to strive for are assets that are trending upward (developing towards peak value), like prospects and picks. If we need to take on short-term depreciating pieces to balance the deal, so be it.

My ideal trade would be a package to Edmonton for one of their 2nd-tier forwards (Yakupov/Draisaitl), 2015's 16th pick (or a 2016 1st Rder), and salary dump(s) for Phaneuf + Reimer + a good AHLer (Loov?).

Ted Purcell, at $4.5m for 1 more year, had 12 goals last year.

I'm not so sure that they're willing to let Draisaitl go, but they really don't have much else interesting from a prospect perspective for the Leafs.