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Owen Nolan Relased by Canucks

Started by Fletch, September 26, 2011, 05:43:43 AM

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Fletch

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=376775

Owen Nolan was released by the Vancouver Canucks.

I was hoping that he'd catch on, and finish his career in the NHL, rather than the Swiss League.  He never gave Leaf fans what we thought we were getting, but I always liked the guy.

I don't think he fits in here - goes against what the team has done recently.  Any teams out there that could use a veteran 4th line leadership guy?  He's been a captain, won a gold medal, fought back from injury after injury.  He must bring something.

Stronger Than All

Did he ever get booed upon returning to Toronto as an opponent?  I can't remember, but I sure hope so.

Sarge

Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really. 

Deebo

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really. 

That whole trying to get the team to pay his salary during the lockout thing.

Mordac

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really.

Yup.

It could have been great, but it's certainly not his fault it wasn't.

Sarge

Quote from: Deebo on September 26, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really. 

That whole trying to get the team to pay his salary during the lockout thing.

Call me silly but I might have tried that too. In fact, I might have tried every trick or loophole out there and moreover, if I could afford it, I might have even seeked legal counsel to do the same even though I faced a seemingly impossible battle... But I like money so...   

Deebo

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Deebo on September 26, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really. 

That whole trying to get the team to pay his salary during the lockout thing.

Call me silly but I might have tried that too. In fact, I might have tried every trick or loophole out there and moreover, if I could afford it, I might have even seeked legal counsel to do the same even though I faced a seemingly impossible battle... But I like money so...   

Nolan had a clause in his contract that stated if the 2004–05 NHL season was cancelled, then he gets a player option for 05-06. He tried to get both pay for the lockout year due to an injury AND the option year. You say you would do this, but I'm sure you can see how someone who had already earned close to $40 million in his career doing something like this might rub some fans the wrong way. I mean, cops who accept free coffee bothers you.

Nik

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition?

I don't think you can blame injuries on that one. The Leafs paid star prices for a guy who ended up being a pretty good depth forward while healthy,
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Sarge

Quote from: Deebo on September 26, 2011, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Deebo on September 26, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition? I loved the trade at the time and would do it again in a heartbeat. Just dumb luck things worked out the way they did really. 

That whole trying to get the team to pay his salary during the lockout thing.

Call me silly but I might have tried that too. In fact, I might have tried every trick or loophole out there and moreover, if I could afford it, I might have even seeked legal counsel to do the same even though I faced a seemingly impossible battle... But I like money so...   

Nolan had a clause in his contract that stated if the 2004–05 NHL season was cancelled, then he gets a player option for 05-06. He tried to get both pay for the lockout year due to an injury AND the option year. You say you would do this, but I'm sure you can see how someone who had already earned close to $40 million in his career doing something like this might rub some fans the wrong way. I mean, cops who accept free coffee bothers you.

Good memory but not perfect... THAT cop's sense of entitlement had as much to do with what bothered me then anything but anyhooo I can't say a blame Nolan for tyring and yes, absolutely I'd have at least looked in to it. Seems just the responsible thing to do anyway.

Sarge

Quote from: Saint Nik on September 26, 2011, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Why would one boo Nolan? Because injuries halted what was supposed to be a great acquisition?

I don't think you can blame injuries on that one. The Leafs paid star prices for a guy who ended up being a pretty good depth forward while healthy,

When the Leafs acquired Nolan he was a bonafide first liner and all-star caliber player. What else would you at attribute his lack of relative success in Toronto to? 

Nik

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
When the Leafs acquired Nolan he was a bonafide first liner and all-star caliber player.

Nolan had one season, in a contract year, where he was a legitimately elite forward. Outside of that year he was a 20 goal, 50+ point guy which is more or less what he was in Toronto. He was an older, physical forward with a nose for the goal coming to a team that already had a few of those.

And the price tag? A good young player who was coming off a very good playoffs, the team's best prospect and their first round pick in what was maybe the strongest draft ever. 
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Sarge

Quote from: Saint Nik on September 26, 2011, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
When the Leafs acquired Nolan he was a bonafide first liner and all-star caliber player.

Nolan had one season, in a contract year, where he was a legitimately elite forward. Outside of that year he was a 20 goal, 50+ point guy which is more or less what he was in Toronto. He was an older, physical forward with a nose for the goal coming to a team that already had a few of those.

And the price tag? A good young player who was coming off a very good playoffs, the team's best prospect and their first round pick in what was maybe the strongest draft ever.

Well, like I said, I was comfortable with the price tag and would do it again.

Deebo

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Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 11:05:52 AM
Good memory but not perfect... THAT cop's sense of entitlement had as much to do with what bothered me then anything but anyhooo I can't say a blame Nolan for tyring and yes, absolutely I'd have at least looked in to it. Seems just the responsible thing to do anyway.

But you do see how it could be viewed as greed?

Nik

Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 11:23:18 AM
Well, like I said, I was comfortable with the price tag and would do it again.

Well, I was trying to answer your original question. One might boo Owen Nolan if they'd watched the team's lack of young talent lead in part to 6 missed playoffs in a row and attributed some of the fault for that to the series of three or four picks/prospects for one aging veteran of questionable value trades that the team made.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Sarge

Quote from: Deebo on September 26, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: Floyd on September 26, 2011, 11:05:52 AM
Good memory but not perfect... THAT cop's sense of entitlement had as much to do with what bothered me then anything but anyhooo I can't say a blame Nolan for tyring and yes, absolutely I'd have at least looked in to it. Seems just the responsible thing to do anyway.

But you do see how it could be viewed as greed?

Sure... Doesn't mean I'd boo him for that though.