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2024 HHOF Class: Datsyuk, Roenick, Weber, Darwitz, Wendell-Pohl, Campbell, Poile

Started by Deebo, June 25, 2024, 02:49:26 PM

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Deebo

Players:

Pavel Datsyuk
Jeremy Roenick
Shea Weber
Natalie Darwitz
Krissy Wendell-Pohl


Builders:

Colin Campbell
David Poile

CarltonTheBear

The Hall's just blowing the doors wide open if they're taking Roenick I guess.

bustaheims

Is it just me, or does it feel like this class signifies a lowering of the entry requirements for the HHoF?
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

louisstamos

Quote from: bustaheims on June 25, 2024, 02:56:54 PMIs it just me, or does it feel like this class signifies a lowering of the entry requirements for the HHoF?

For me, in terms of the NHL players, Datsyuk is a first ballot-er, but the other two are...engh?  I'd sooner put Mogilny over Roenick.

I'm not sure I like Colin Campbell's induction either - wasn't it so long ago that the emails came out and it came out he was pushing the refs from making calls against his son?

Nik

Roenick's an interesting one as I'm not sure why his argument got any better after all these years. I don't really know what Roenick over Mogilny really says about their criteria other than I guess they're inclined to like a C over a winger the same way a GM might?

I think Datsyk and Weber are pretty easy choices though.
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bustaheims

Quote from: louisstamos on June 25, 2024, 03:00:31 PMFor me, in terms of the NHL players, Datsyuk is a first ballot-er, but the other two are...engh?  I'd sooner put Mogilny over Roenick.

Datsyuk has a great rep and some hardware, but his career numbers don't scream HHoF - though, some decent international totals that put him over the top. I'm not sure he should have been a first-ballot guy, but it's a weak class this year and he is a guy that belongs in the Hall.

Weber . . . no hardware, some end of season All Star nods, and some international success. He's probably near the bare minimum for entry from a blueliner, but, I would probably put him in the Hall of Very Good.

Roenick has good numbers, but why now?
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on June 25, 2024, 03:15:13 PMDatsyuk has a great rep and some hardware, but his career numbers don't scream HHoF - though, some decent international totals that put him over the top. I'm not sure he should have been a first-ballot guy, but it's a weak class this year and he is a guy that belongs in the Hall.

I think Datsyuk is a good example of guys who are a reflection of how the way we think about "HOF numbers" are probably going to change after the muted offensive years we saw during his career. We all grew up with the 1000 points and roughly ppg standards and it resulted in the overrepresentation of the high scoring 80's and 90's guys.

Datsyuk, though, I think was consistently a top 10 guy in the league for the better part of a decade. Throw in the cups and I think he's not just above a minimum threshold but easily towards the upper echelon of the Hall's standards.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

cw

Quote from: louisstamos on June 25, 2024, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 25, 2024, 02:56:54 PMIs it just me, or does it feel like this class signifies a lowering of the entry requirements for the HHoF?

For me, in terms of the NHL players, Datsyuk is a first ballot-er, but the other two are...engh?  I'd sooner put Mogilny over Roenick.

I'm not sure I like Colin Campbell's induction either - wasn't it so long ago that the emails came out and it came out he was pushing the refs from making calls against his son?

I agree with you. Mogilny not being in there ... I will never get it.
I was never a fan of Roenick's behavior. I'm sure that's why he had to wait so long.
Mogilny's numbers, story and record are better.

I don't get Campbell's induction either. Part of Bettman's buddies club?
Imagine all the "huh?" when folks walk by his place in the Hall.

Harold Ballard is in there as a builder so ... every once in a while, you have to hold your nose I guess.