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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2012, 12:44:32 PM »
I'm sure these sorts of things happen all the time (contractual discussions, that is).  Why do you suppose this rather insignificant event made its way to MacKenzie and then out to the world?

It's not so insignificant. It's a high profile player, a significant extension that was flat out turned down and his agent publicly announced that he wasn't interested in signing an extension. That's a pretty big deal at this time of the year. It puts big name pretty squarely on the trade market.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2012, 12:45:57 PM »
If indeed Staal has suggested that he wants to go the UFA route, big if, then I would imagine he has more value to Pittsburgh than to another team right now.  It would seem to me that he'll be working his tail off for a big UFA deal, and Pittsburgh has what it takes to take another run at the cup with him on the team.

Except the argument with Staal has always been that his position on the Penguins kind of hampers his ability to put up the kind of year that would result in a huge contract. I'm sure he'll be motivated to play well but if he's a #3 centre and puts up 45-50 points I wonder how well he'll do as a UFA.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2012, 12:49:47 PM »
It's not so insignificant. It's a high profile player, a significant extension that was flat out turned down and his agent publicly announced that he wasn't interested in signing an extension. That's a pretty big deal at this time of the year. It puts big name pretty squarely on the trade market.

The thing that jumped out to me about the story is the reported number of the extension Pittsburgh offered. Both it's term and it's AAV strike me as sort of an admission by the Penguins that they think he's a better player than their depth allows him to be and also that Staal, if he does hit the UFA market, is intent on either signing a massive deal or has somewhere very specfic in mind in terms of where he wants to play.

Either way, I would not be confident about being able to work out an extension.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2012, 12:54:28 PM »
If indeed Staal has suggested that he wants to go the UFA route, big if, then I would imagine he has more value to Pittsburgh than to another team right now.  It would seem to me that he'll be working his tail off for a big UFA deal, and Pittsburgh has what it takes to take another run at the cup with him on the team.

Except the argument with Staal has always been that his position on the Penguins kind of hampers his ability to put up the kind of year that would result in a huge contract. I'm sure he'll be motivated to play well but if he's a #3 centre and puts up 45-50 points I wonder how well he'll do as a UFA.

somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2012, 12:57:18 PM »
somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

If he's turning down 10 years and 60 million dollars because it's not enough then I sincerely doubt anyone's going to step up to that plate.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2012, 12:58:10 PM »
somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

If he's turning down 10 years and 60 million dollars because it's not enough then I sincerely doubt anyone's going to step up to that plate.

Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2012, 01:00:49 PM »
Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2012, 01:02:48 PM »
I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

That's not the impression I get from what happened yesterday. He turned down $60M from Pittsburgh and his agent came out and said he's not interested in signing an extension "at this time." He may change his mind down the road, but, I wouldn't bank on it. I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets with that massive unknown sitting out there.

I didn't catch wind of the dollar amount.  An average of $6M a year over 10 years?  For Jordan Staal?  That seems to me more of him wanting to get out due to being no more than a 3rd liner in the the shadow of Crosby and Malkin than it is about money.

If put in the right position to succeed (behind his bro in Carolina, 1st line in Toronto), I do believe he'd be more inclined to sign an extension.  I'd be shocked if he hit free agency and actually got more than $6M per, let alone over the term that Pittsburgh offered him.  Completely shocked to be honest. 

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2012, 01:03:31 PM »
I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

So...all of them?
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2012, 01:04:29 PM »
I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

So...all of them?

 :D :D :D

Yeah I'll believe it when I see it.  The day Burke signs a contract >7 years I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about him.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2012, 01:05:41 PM »
I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

So...all of them?

Well, no. DiPietro's contract has no shenanigans. Well, at least, none that are cap related. ;)
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2012, 01:09:36 PM »
If put in the right position to succeed (behind his bro in Carolina, 1st line in Toronto), I do believe he'd be more inclined to sign an extension. 

I don't understand that line of thinking. Why is he in a better position to succeed in Toronto? It's a worse team.

Don't get too hung up on the idea of Jordan Staal as a "3rd liner". His average ice times the last four years have been 19:51, 19:24, 21:21 and 20:03. Going elsewhere isn't going to increase his ice time much(he ranked 27th among forwards in the entire league) and outside of changing up his ratio of PP/PK time, which would strike me as diminishing his value, I don't see what the appeal is.

I mean, unless the argument is that Jordan Staal will be happier in a place where he's more of a big deal or where his personal stats look better, I really don't see what would be better for him in Toronto.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2012, 01:11:16 PM »
Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

I remember him saying that for the right player, he'll definitely go beyond his 5 year usual. You'd have to think that a center with Jordan's age and skill set, he'd be one that Burke would go well beyond 5 years on.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2012, 01:12:54 PM »
Well, no. DiPietro's contract has no shenanigans. Well, at least, none that are cap related. ;)

Well, so long as he's ok with the DiPietro contract.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2012, 01:13:03 PM »
Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

I remember him saying that for the right player, he'll definitely go beyond his 5 year usual. You'd have to think that a center with Jordan's age and skill set, he'd be one that Burke would go well beyond 5 years on.

It's going to be tough to make that trade.  I still think he has his sights set on Carolina and playing with his brother.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2012, 01:13:03 PM »