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2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« on: March 05, 2012, 11:29:42 PM »
New season, new thread.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 09:45:49 AM »
Should be an interesting year.

They're are better team than last year for sure. A lot has to go right...but playoffs are a possibility for the first time in the AA era.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 09:54:56 AM »
Hoping some of the more experienced young guys like Snider and Cecil can take the next step now that it seems they are taking their careers more seriously after a tough 2011 season.   

Cecil sounds like he's a new man now that he's taking his conditioning seriously, and Snider at least sounds like maybe, just maaaybe he's matured enough to pull it together this year.   I don't hold out a lot of hope for the latter, but you never know.


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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 10:13:48 AM »
Hoping some of the more experienced young guys like Snider and Cecil can take the next step now that it seems they are taking their careers more seriously after a tough 2011 season.   

Cecil sounds like he's a new man now that he's taking his conditioning seriously, and Snider at least sounds like maybe, just maaaybe he's matured enough to pull it together this year.   I don't hold out a lot of hope for the latter, but you never know.

I don't know what will happen, but it would be pretty nice to have an outfield bench that had Snider/Thames and Davis on it.  That would actually give them some depth.  Snider can play the odd game in RF and is way better defensively in LF.  If he finds a way to put together his offensive game, even if he was at first just getting rest days at DH/LF/RF and then getting the odd late-game defensive sub, that would be a nice addition that wouldn't hurt the team in close games that go to extra innings.

As much as I am disappointed that AA didn't find a way to add a starting pitcher, the confidence from the team early on is really encouraging.  I can't remember the last time the team felt this assertive.  That is only going to help.  All three games so far, the guys who are going to be on the roster have looked pretty good.  The pitching staff held a pretty solid Tiger's lineup at bay yesterday until the AAAA/AAA relievers came into the game late and gave up 3 runs in the 8th-9th.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 10:20:43 AM »
Hoping some of the more experienced young guys like Snider and Cecil can take the next step now that it seems they are taking their careers more seriously after a tough 2011 season.   

Cecil sounds like he's a new man now that he's taking his conditioning seriously, and Snider at least sounds like maybe, just maaaybe he's matured enough to pull it together this year.   I don't hold out a lot of hope for the latter, but you never know.

It is crazy how close they're to the playoffs.

They were 10 games shy of the wild card, 9 of the second wild card.

We have improved the bullpen considerably...

We have numerous questions marks in the following:

Lind, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek, Alvarez, Ramus, Snider, Thames, Johnson, Arencibia, McGowan...

We just need a few of these guys to build on last year. If Morrow and Lind just become consistent (and no injuries to our studs)...this team will be right there fighting for the a playoff spot at the end of the year.

Too bad the negative reaction to the lack of big name signings at the end of the year. This season has the potential to be a really exciting season. We have a great deal of young players with enourmas potential with another group creeping up towards the big leagues (Hech, Hutch, Deck, Gose)...the competition on this team for roster spots is heating up.



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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 10:22:18 AM »
Hoping some of the more experienced young guys like Snider and Cecil can take the next step now that it seems they are taking their careers more seriously after a tough 2011 season.   

Cecil sounds like he's a new man now that he's taking his conditioning seriously, and Snider at least sounds like maybe, just maaaybe he's matured enough to pull it together this year.   I don't hold out a lot of hope for the latter, but you never know.

I don't know what will happen, but it would be pretty nice to have an outfield bench that had Snider/Thames and Davis on it.  That would actually give them some depth.  Snider can play the odd game in RF and is way better defensively in LF.  If he finds a way to put together his offensive game, even if he was at first just getting rest days at DH/LF/RF and then getting the odd late-game defensive sub, that would be a nice addition that wouldn't hurt the team in close games that go to extra innings.

As much as I am disappointed that AA didn't find a way to add a starting pitcher, the confidence from the team early on is really encouraging.  I can't remember the last time the team felt this assertive.  That is only going to help.  All three games so far, the guys who are going to be on the roster have looked pretty good.  The pitching staff held a pretty solid Tiger's lineup at bay yesterday until the AAAA/AAA relievers came into the game late and gave up 3 runs in the 8th-9th.

There is a lot of questions marks about the pitching this season. The great thing is we have a lot of names fighting for these roster spots or will be by mid season. One or two are bound to get it together.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2012, 03:50:46 PM »
I don't know what will happen, but it would be pretty nice to have an outfield bench that had Snider/Thames and Davis on it.  That would actually give them some depth.  Snider can play the odd game in RF and is way better defensively in LF.  If he finds a way to put together his offensive game, even if he was at first just getting rest days at DH/LF/RF and then getting the odd late-game defensive sub, that would be a nice addition that wouldn't hurt the team in close games that go to extra innings.

I think it's fairly unlikely that all three guys make the team. They're almost certainly going to find room for Ben Francisco and the likelihood of carrying 5 outfielders seems pretty slim.

It's going to be a very tough AL this year. The Yankees, Red Sox and Rays are all good and outside of the division the Rangers and Angels look stacked. I'd say going into the season that the Jays are probably the 7th or 8th best team in the league. It's tough to see them going anywhere in particular with only two dependable starters. Even then, most of the projection systems I've seen have Morrow improving a little and Romero coming back to earth a bit(which is borne out by their xFIP) so it may be rough times ahead starting pitching wise.
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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 11:55:13 AM »
Read a story that Burnett set up a $20,000 fund for McCutchen's kid in return for his number in Pittsburgh.  I know players always pay for numbers like that, but usually I thought it was something like a watch.  Just seemed like a really nice thing to do.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 03:39:00 PM »
Not that it means anything at all, but, the right now, the Jays have the 2nd best winning percentage in Spring Training, so, yay?
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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 03:26:43 AM »
i can't wait till the real season begins soon.
go jays go

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 03:35:26 AM »
Yeah, me too. I'm certainly more optimistic this year. Last year I predicted 77 wins.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 05:09:54 AM »

I'll say one thing for the Jays this year, I'm pretty excited about them at just about every position. From the guys I'm pretty confident will be good(Bautista, Escobar) to the guys who I'm excited about seeing on a full time basis(Rasmus, Johnson) and the guys I'm hoping can build on strong rookie years(JP, Lawrie). Even the battle for LF and E5 as a full time DH has some promise. Really the only full time guy in the line-up who doesn't interest me is Lind.

It's not like last year, anyway, where Davis, Patterson and Nix were getting regular PT which was a pretty glum state of affairs.
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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 09:10:58 AM »

I'll say one thing for the Jays this year, I'm pretty excited about them at just about every position. From the guys I'm pretty confident will be good(Bautista, Escobar) to the guys who I'm excited about seeing on a full time basis(Rasmus, Johnson) and the guys I'm hoping can build on strong rookie years(JP, Lawrie). Even the battle for LF and E5 as a full time DH has some promise. Really the only full time guy in the line-up who doesn't interest me is Lind.

It's not like last year, anyway, where Davis, Patterson and Nix were getting regular PT which was a pretty glum state of affairs.

I really want to see the team bring Hecch up sooner rather than later too, just so he can work with Omar Vizquel for a while.

About the only other concern I have is one of Snider/Thames being sent down so that Ben Francisco has a roster spot.

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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 09:47:25 AM »
I really want to see the team bring Hecch up sooner rather than later too, just so he can work with Omar Vizquel for a while.

I don't see why that would happen. I mean, for starters, it's a bit of a leap that because Vizquel is a talented fielder he's going to be a good coach. The team has infield coaches throughout the organization. If Vizquel is on the team he's going to be worrying about his own game. He may be a great mentor and he may not but I don't know that'd be a reason to have two roster spots being taken up by light hitting middle infielders.

And more to the point, most reports I've heard say that there's very little doubt about Hecchevarria's glove. What's going to determine whether he's an everyday player or a bench guy is his bat. I think he'll be better served in that sense being in the minors and getting at-bats than being in the bigs on the bench.

I mean, unless you're talking about Vizquel teaching him how to bunt it seems like a misfire.

About the only other concern I have is one of Snider/Thames being sent down so that Ben Francisco has a roster spot.

I'd hate it if it happened to Snider but again the issue there is one of at-bats. If Thames or Snider are going to be playing every day do you really wanting the other one as the team's 5th outfielder instead of playing every day in Vegas?
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Re: 2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 09:47:25 AM »