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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2011, 10:17:08 PM »
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2011, 10:20:20 PM »
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D

Even the Kool-Aid man is thinking to himself: "Are you serious?"
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2011, 10:27:45 PM »
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D

By Simmons own admission.

Simmons told TSN that Burke cut Simmons off this year ....  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2011, 10:28:44 PM »
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.

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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2011, 10:32:52 PM »
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.

And Wilson was totally distracted by all this.   ::)

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 10:43:06 PM »
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.

They say pride comes before the fall. Damien's due for a drop into the Grand Canyon.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2011, 07:22:41 AM »
Steve Simmons is so off the mark it isn't even funny. Simmons gets exactly what he deserves. The bottom line is I think Burke's approach is exactly what this media zoo needs. A little reality check...

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2011, 07:42:27 AM »
Steve Simmons is so off the mark it isn't even funny. Simmons gets exactly what he deserves. The bottom line is I think Burke's approach is exactly what this media zoo needs. A little reality check...

Exactly. They're sports reporters not investigative journalists or war time correspondents or something that, you know, actually matters.

Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has. There's no conspiracy here, and even if there was, it's not one that matters a whole lot.

These guys feel marginalized because they don't have any real power. Most fans don't care. In order for them to feel like they matter, they need those fans to care and for Burke to be told that they (the reporters) matter.

No matter how much they B*$#! and complain this will not happen. It's time they realize that most journalists could (and would probably be happy to) have their jobs. If they have such a problem with the situation they should find something else to do for a living.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2011, 07:56:57 AM »
Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has.

Yeah, that's just not true. The reality is that people are so eager for accurate reporting on things that NHL teams make it a point not to disclose(precise injuries, trade rumours) that a reporter who was consistently right about those topics would see a ton of following both on twitter and at his column. The reality is that driving traffic is their job. Their job isn't to write press releases for the Leafs, I can read those if I want at the team's site.

A reporter following the team should be looking for something nobody else has and that informs us about the team otherwise why am I even reading them? I've got no interest in reading team-approved puff pieces and I can find out about the line-ups when I watch the game.
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2011, 10:01:42 AM »
some good ol' un-biased reporting there

you want to talk about shaping a message because of a personal vendetta.

I mean really?  your going to complain that he is stifling the flow of info the media and do it in a way that is meant to make the leafs look bad (particularly burke)

and you wonder why they don't like to talk to you

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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2011, 10:18:22 AM »
It's funny, there have been tensions between reporters and the Leafs before, but it never seemed to get this heated in the past.  I suppose it's due to the new media where you can immediately tweet something and it becomes "news".  Stuff that Cox or Simmons might tweet in the heat of the moment might not have gotten out years ago, now it causes headlines.   Fascinating to watch from the sidelines, even if it is a train wreck.

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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2011, 10:31:42 AM »
Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has.

Yeah, that's just not true. The reality is that people are so eager for accurate reporting on things that NHL teams make it a point not to disclose(precise injuries, trade rumours) that a reporter who was consistently right about those topics would see a ton of following both on twitter and at his column. The reality is that driving traffic is their job. Their job isn't to write press releases for the Leafs, I can read those if I want at the team's site.

A reporter following the team should be looking for something nobody else has and that informs us about the team otherwise why am I even reading them? I've got no interest in reading team-approved puff pieces and I can find out about the line-ups when I watch the game.

Red Fisher turned 85 last August. I was reading one of his recent articles the other day. He didn't write puff pieces. In fact, he just criticized the Montreal GM for the Markov contract. Unlike Strachan, he's still employed.

I think Red found a way to go about his business throughout his career without getting into the garbage Simmons & Cox have. For one, I've found his articles to be more reliable, factually correct and/or accurate. For another, he actually seems to put more effort and quality thought into what he has to say. Thirdly, I can't recall Fisher making himself a key part of the story like so many in the media seem to do today through some inflated sense of self importance. I can't recall Red ever writing something just to get a rise out of people - trolling for attention so he could feel as if he'd done his job because that's shoddy crap. I also don't recall him calling his readers sycophants, sheep, etc.

Folks in the media produce shoddy crap desperate to grab attention when they're too lazy or incapable of delivering more. They may feel as if they've done their job by boosting ratings/readership like Strachan or Berger did. But it's like the kid who cried wolf. Eventually, they're tuned out and put out to pasture because they stop providing any value.

I continue to feel that there are sports journalists/reporters like Fisher, McKenzie, Duhatschek, etc that operate differently than guys/hacks like Simmons and sometimes, Cox.

As one of the top franchises in hockey, I think there's lots of room for improvement with the media that covers this team. I don't fault the Leafs for taking exception to some of that coverage.

Simmons is a pathetic sports writer in my opinion and he'll eventually get put out to pasture like Strachan & Berger - maybe sooner than later after this recent outburst reveals to all that he has no professional relationship with the most important team in the city.

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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2011, 10:44:31 AM »
Red Fisher turned 85 last August. I was reading one of his recent articles the other day. He didn't write puff pieces. In fact, he just criticized the Montreal GM for the Markov contract. Unlike Strachan, he's still employed.

I think Red found a way to go about his business throughout his career without getting into the garbage Simmons & Cox have. For one, I've found his articles to be more reliable, factually correct and/or accurate. For another, he actually seems to put more effort and quality thought into what he has to say. Thirdly, I can't recall Fisher making himself a key part of the story like so many in the media seem to do today through some inflated sense of self importance. I can't recall Red ever writing something just to get a rise out of people - trolling for attention so he could feel as if he'd done his job because that's shoddy crap. I also don't recall him calling his readers sycophants, sheep, etc.

We could talk for hours about how the changing nature of the news business has fundamentally altered the way a sportswriter goes about their job and, as a general, I don't think there's much room for debate. The need for immediacy and eyeballs has generated a lot of laziness and sensationalism. I can't argue that.

But the reality of the modern day media landscape is that a beat writer, which I'm assuming is a job title that doesn't really apply to Cox, Simmons or Fisher, does have a responsibility to find those scoops and drive those numbers. That is their job. I'm not advocating for it necessarily, I was fine in a world with newspapers and not twitter, but I can only King Canute that for so long.
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Re: Media Thread
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 10:44:45 AM »
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 10:55:10 AM »
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.
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Re: Media Thread
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