Author Topic: Andreas Johnsson re-ssigned 1 year, two-way @ 787.5k (Qualifying Offer Accepted)  (Read 882 times)

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Offline Nik the Trik

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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.
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Almost certainly the best decision for Johnsson.

For Johnsson, probably.  For us fans, probably not.

I mean, yes and no I suppose. As much as I like Johnsson the odds of him coming in and scoring 50 points, or I mean even 40 points in his rookie season is pretty slim. So at least this way the team gets a better look at him for a year and they'll be in a position to negotiate a longer term deal after just 1 year of NHL service. If they negotiated a longer term deal after 2 years of NHL service he could have had more evidence to justify a more expensive deal.

Personally speaking I would have tried to get him at a reasonable rate for 4+ years, but if the options were only 1 or 2 then I think 1 is the safer bet.

I do feel like 35-40 pts is realistic for him.  Mostly because they seem to already be playing him on the PP in the high slot and I don't think they are going to change that.  That assumes, of course, he's playing with Kadri and not on the 4th line at 5v5.  That output pretty much got Brown a 2M deal with only 1 full year of service. 

I do see your point though, if he has 2 seasons of that production he may be worth more on that next deal BUT our cap crunch is next year.  I would have rather have given him a 1Mx2 deal now.
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Should have signed him for 5 million over 3 and then he could of really cashed in.
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Should have signed him for 5 million over 3 and then he could of really cashed in.

And if he doesn't want to sign that deal?
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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.

I meant with respect to being somewhat disposable.  Unless of course somebody below him breaks out, uh, like Kucherov.

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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.

I meant with respect to being somewhat disposable.

Right and again, that's true even if he's a good player. If you have 4 forwards taking up 40-50% of your cap the odds of being able to keep a fifth good forward long term are pretty small. Especially with the Leafs where they have guys like Kadri and Kapanen who they'd also like to keep. Unfortunately the cap means you have to be willing to move on from guys like Johnson even if he blossoms.

The Kucherov comparison is ridiculous but he does have the potential to be a decent contributor. The Leafs will just need to bring up other guys with similar potential. Given that they have a lot of prospects on the wing, that shouldn't be too much to ask.
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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.

I meant with respect to being somewhat disposable.

Right and again, that's true even if he's a good player. If you have 4 forwards taking up 40-50% of your cap the odds of being able to keep a fifth good forward long term are pretty small. Especially with the Leafs where they have guys like Kadri and Kapanen who they'd also like to keep. Unfortunately the cap means you have to be willing to move on from guys like Johnson even if he blossoms.

The Kucherov comparison is ridiculous but he does have the potential to be a decent contributor. The Leafs will just need to bring up other guys with similar potential. Given that they have a lot of prospects on the wing, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.

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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.

I meant with respect to being somewhat disposable.

Right and again, that's true even if he's a good player. If you have 4 forwards taking up 40-50% of your cap the odds of being able to keep a fifth good forward long term are pretty small. Especially with the Leafs where they have guys like Kadri and Kapanen who they'd also like to keep. Unfortunately the cap means you have to be willing to move on from guys like Johnson even if he blossoms.

The Kucherov comparison is ridiculous but he does have the potential to be a decent contributor. The Leafs will just need to bring up other guys with similar potential. Given that they have a lot of prospects on the wing, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.
Leafs took Tyler Biggs and Stuart Percy before Kucherov. Good times good times.

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OTOH he could be just the kind of guy who breaks out a la Kucherov. (OK, very likely not to that level ... but he's got the tools and has shown he can score in Sweden and the Marlies.)

That's not really on the other hand. If Johnsson turns out to be a good player that'd be fine and dandy but it doesn't change what situation the Leafs are in with regards to the big 4 forwards they need to pay. The better that Johnsson is, the harder it'll be to keep him.

I meant with respect to being somewhat disposable.

Right and again, that's true even if he's a good player. If you have 4 forwards taking up 40-50% of your cap the odds of being able to keep a fifth good forward long term are pretty small. Especially with the Leafs where they have guys like Kadri and Kapanen who they'd also like to keep. Unfortunately the cap means you have to be willing to move on from guys like Johnson even if he blossoms.

The Kucherov comparison is ridiculous but he does have the potential to be a decent contributor. The Leafs will just need to bring up other guys with similar potential. Given that they have a lot of prospects on the wing, that shouldn't be too much to ask.

Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.
Leafs took Tyler Biggs and Stuart Percy before Kucherov. Good times good times.

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Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.

Kucherov was a 2nd round pick who scored 65 points when he was 21. Becoming a big time NHL player from the 2nd round isn't that unlikely and progressing from that sort of young start isn't either.

There's really nothing that connects the two players.
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Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.

Kucherov was a 2nd round pick who scored 65 points when he was 21. Becoming a big time NHL player from the 2nd round isn't that unlikely and progressing from that sort of young start isn't either.

There's really nothing that connects the two players.

Until Johnsson becomes Kucherov.

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Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.

Kucherov was a 2nd round pick who scored 65 points when he was 21. Becoming a big time NHL player from the 2nd round isn't that unlikely and progressing from that sort of young start isn't either.

There's really nothing that connects the two players.

Until Johnsson becomes Kucherov.

At this point he has a better chance of becoming a furnace.
Give a man the reputation of an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon
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Heh, Kucherov becoming Kucherov was ridiculous.  Until he did it.

Kucherov was a 2nd round pick who scored 65 points when he was 21. Becoming a big time NHL player from the 2nd round isn't that unlikely and progressing from that sort of young start isn't either.

There's really nothing that connects the two players.

Until Johnsson becomes Kucherov.

At this point he has a better chance of becoming a furnace.

But it's within the Realm of Possibility®!

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But it's within the Realm of Possibility®!

The real question will be if we even need Johnsson to be Kucherov once Marancin has turned into Chara, Holl turned into Bobby Orr and Adam Brooks has become some sort of Wayne Gretzky/Giant Lizard hybrid.
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St. Louis took Dmitrij Jaskin, Detroit took Ryan Sproul, Pittsburgh   took Scott Harrington, Nashville took Magnus Hellberg, NY Islanders took Johan Sundstrom, Boston   took Alexander Khokhlachev, Phoenix took Alexander Ruuttu...

Yeah, Some 2nd round picks end up being stars and most teams take players ahead of these stars.

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