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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2018, 10:02:10 AM »

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2018, 10:20:55 AM »
Mirtle - The Athletic

That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2018, 10:32:08 AM »
Mirtle - The Athletic

That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.

We are at 6 pages so far with pretty much the same dialogue except for a few outliers.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2018, 10:37:13 AM »
Mirtle - The Athletic

That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.

We are at 6 pages so far with pretty much the same dialogue except for a few outliers.

Which one of you is Mirtle?

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2018, 10:42:47 AM »
Mirtle - The Athletic

That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.

We are at 6 pages so far with pretty much the same dialogue except for a few outliers.

Which one of you is Mirtle?

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2018, 10:45:43 AM »
We are all Mirtle.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2018, 11:25:13 AM »
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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2018, 01:24:22 PM »
By the way guys, if you come to my band's next show, I can offer you a 30% discount off your subscription to the Athletic. :P

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2018, 02:17:05 PM »
Yeah I know.  I wonder if offer sheets are more common than we think but you don't hear about it because player X doesn't ever accept it.  Let's say Vancouver comes to Nylander and presents an offer sheet and Nylander says "no thanks" and never signs it, would we even hear about it?

My guess is no but only because I don't think teams would just offer them unsolicited. I think for teams to actually make those offers there first needs to be a real deterioration in the relationship between player and team, to the point where signing the offer sheet becomes a real possibility.

Along those lines, I think teams and agents know before RFA status hits whether or not that's going to happen. We saw it with Carolina in trading Lindholm after reports were they were nowhere close on a deal and we saw it when Boston traded Dougie Hamilton only for Hamilton to sign a few days later. If teams really think they can't re-sign a guy, for cap or other reasons, they're likely to move beforehand.

I think one of the things that's changed re: RFAs and offer sheets is that it used to be that it was seen as a way to put pressure on teams either by forcing them to pay guys more than they wanted(Penner) or forcing them to pay more than they could when they were up against the cap(Which was all the Kessel talk) but I think both of those things really changed the way teams do business. The Penner deal was bad enough that teams decided that maybe overpaying for middling talent wasn't a great idea in the first place and while the Kessel thing ultimately worked out for Boston that was more luck than anything. If the Leafs had been good those two years post-trade then Boston would have lost a top tier scorer for a pretty crummy return. So now teams would more likely just do what they can to make room for a Kessel contract.

Which, again, brings me back to why I think the offer sheet market is so dead. It's only useful if teams won't match and teams only won't match if the deal is a terrible one for the team. In either case, there's no point to avail yourself of it.
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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2018, 02:25:51 PM »
Mirtle - The Athletic

That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.

I don't subscribe to the Athletic, so I don't know if they touched on this, but now that Tavares got 93% of his money paid before the season starts, I'm wondering if the next bunch of big wheels angle for the same structure.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2018, 07:35:56 PM »

The quoted text is from an Athletic article by Craig Custance:


Hmmm, it feels like someone here was just saying that.
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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2018, 09:30:52 PM »

The quoted text is from an Athletic article by Craig Custance:


Hmmm, it feels like someone here was just saying that.

What would the compensation be if someone offer sheeted Marner? 5 first round picks?

The biggest RFA compensation is 4 first rounders:

https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator

And like I said, you'd match any Matthews offer sheet and Marner really doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'd sign an offer sheet and bail on his hometown team and playing on Tavares' wing.

I think Down Goes Brown had an article that said the problem with the RFA system is that the compensation isn't higher.  The reasoning behind this was that it's a no-brainer to just match the offer.  If the compensation was higher, then the GM may actually have to think about whether or not they wanted to match it and it may lead to more RFA offer sheets.
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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2018, 07:13:17 PM »

I think his asking price can only go up with another season under his belt, so I'm all for this getting done now.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #88 on: July 27, 2018, 01:36:00 PM »

I think his asking price can only go up with another season under his belt, so I'm all for this getting done now.
I don't think it will go up much if any. Matthews is going to be paid in or around 11mill regardless of this year. Marner on the other hand is the one we'd like done now. His price could go up substantially with a monster year. 

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #89 on: July 27, 2018, 01:57:11 PM »
I don't think it will go up much if any. Matthews is going to be paid in or around 11mill regardless of this year. Marner on the other hand is the one we'd like done now. His price could go up substantially with a monster year.

I think Matthews is going to get paid whatever he wants, up to and including league max. The only deduction will be what the leafs can convince him to leave on the table to keep a strong team together.

Marner I'm not particularly worried about, he seems to be pretty much in love with his lot in life here, and I'm sure they'll get something done on the reasonable side for both.

Nylander, to me, is the most interesting situation. I think that the leafs have more of a ceiling there that they wouldn't be willing to go above, and he seems like the least likely to take an overly team friendly contract (with no basis for this thought, other than hunch). I'm guessing bridge deal for now.

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Re: The Matthews Extension
« Reply #89 on: July 27, 2018, 01:57:11 PM »