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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2018, 01:31:11 PM »
One interesting thing I learned over the summer is that Holl actually took a ton of PK shifts with the Marlies.  That might actually gain him a spot if he shows he can do it at the NHL level.

Babcock used Marincin on the PK quite a bit whenever he was up and was always pretty complimentary of his abilities there too, so that could give him an edge as well.

I'm sorta expecting things to be fairly status-quo next seaon, at least to start:

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Marincin
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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2018, 01:34:58 PM »
One interesting thing I learned over the summer is that Holl actually took a ton of PK shifts with the Marlies.  That might actually gain him a spot if he shows he can do it at the NHL level.

Babcock used Marincin on the PK quite a bit whenever he was up and was always pretty complimentary of his abilities there too, so that could give him an edge as well.

I'm sorta expecting things to be fairly status-quo next seaon, at least to start:

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Marincin

I'd bet my left hand that Marincin WILL NOT be the guy to switch sides if those two are a pair.

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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2018, 01:36:54 PM »
I'd bet my left hand that Marincin WILL NOT be the guy to switch sides if those two are a pair.

Babcock has used him on the right side previously IIRC and I think his MO is that he'll always move the "safer" guy over first, but yeah I'd prefer Dermott to be the one that shifts over.
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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2018, 01:45:25 PM »
I'd bet my left hand that Marincin WILL NOT be the guy to switch sides if those two are a pair.

Babcock has used him on the right side previously IIRC and I think his MO is that he'll always move the "safer" guy over first, but yeah I'd prefer Dermott to be the one that shifts over.

Yes he has and the results were not very good IIRC.  Then again, Babcock could convince himself that it was more the mental side of things for Marincin and now that he seems to have gotten his confidence back he could try it again- but I'd rather not play with that fire.  If you want him to maintain his confidence, put him on his strong side.

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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2018, 02:26:37 PM »
I'd bet my left hand that Marincin WILL NOT be the guy to switch sides if those two are a pair.

Babcock has used him on the right side previously IIRC and I think his MO is that he'll always move the "safer" guy over first, but yeah I'd prefer Dermott to be the one that shifts over.

Why would the MO be to move the safer guy? Isn't the benefit of playing strong side more on the defensive aspects of holding the line and limiting attack lanes?

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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2018, 02:26:41 PM »
How would I slot them:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Holl
Marincin - Zaitsev

How would I slot them knowing there ain't no way Babcock isn't putting Hainsey in the lineup and the chances that Holl actually make the lineup are kinda low:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev
Hainsey - Carrick

One interesting thing I learned over the summer is that Holl actually took a ton of PK shifts with the Marlies.  That might actually gain him a spot if he shows he can do it at the NHL level.
Two seasons now and we have done nothing externally to address the D. I think our D is brutal, it's been our downfall and will continue to be so. I suppose we think we will just kill teams with possession and scoring. Probably some truth to that but we still need D.

Hainsey 2 minute penalty kills? No thanks.

Andersen will have to be our MVP with all the grenades this D corp throws. What's the Shannaplan for our D? Bouwmeester? Sbisa? Hamhuis? Emelin?

Surely something can be done to improve this group.
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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2018, 02:34:08 PM »
How would I slot them:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Holl
Marincin - Zaitsev

This is pretty much how I'd do it too.

I'd also be open to
Rielly - Dermott
Gardiner - Holl (Minnesotaaaaaaa)/Carrick
Marincin - Zaitsev

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev/Carrick
Marincin - Holl/Carrick

PP options*: Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott, Carrick, Zaitsev
PK options: Marincin, Zaitsev, Holl, Rielly

* Seeing as how the PP is driven through the right half wall, an LD at the top of the umbrella is preferred.

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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2018, 04:34:18 PM »
Anyone think Rosen could be in the lineup? From what I saw, he looked very good for the Marlies. By all acoounts, Borgman also improved a lot going down to learn the small ice surface. Is there a chance 1 of them slots in and maybe Jake or Reilly moves to the right side? How about Ozhiganov, or Holl?

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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2018, 06:14:40 PM »
He was kind of raw, but I actually liked Borgman's game. I like that he hits to take the puck and he skates decently well. I actually thought for his first time over here, he did a pretty good job with the 40+ games he got.

I like Borgman over Rosen, but I'm thinking that they are going to give a few of them a good look in camp and through preseason. Ozhiganov, Holl and Borgman could take the 7th spot. I think Liljgren would have to play in the top 4 to make the team, but he could surprise.

My first choice would be to trade for a youngish top 2 guy, but we may not have the cap moving forward..
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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2018, 11:57:34 PM »
Carry 7 D and let Marincin take a bunch of PK time from Hainsey?

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev
Hainsey - Holl
Marincin

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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2018, 10:05:42 AM »
How would I slot them:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Holl
Marincin - Zaitsev

This is pretty much how I'd do it too.

I'd also be open to
Rielly - Dermott
Gardiner - Holl (Minnesotaaaaaaa)/Carrick
Marincin - Zaitsev

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev/Carrick
Marincin - Holl/Carrick

PP options*: Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott, Carrick, Zaitsev
PK options: Marincin, Zaitsev, Holl, Rielly

* Seeing as how the PP is driven through the right half wall, an LD at the top of the umbrella is preferred.

I'm just wondering, how do you 2 guys slot in a guy into the top-4 that has played a grand total of 2 NHL games, at age 26, that couldn't crack the roster the past 3 years?

And Marincin?  Again?  This is like TJ Brennen all over again, and that other guy I can't remember, and Corrado who was so unfairly treated but then couldn't make an NHL roster anywhere else...enough with these projects. 

Let's get a real top-4 RHS d-man that can play 20-25 minutes, and let the 6 other guys, including Holl, fight over who gets the press box for the season.

Yes, they're going to need to trade a nice asset to get that guy.

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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2018, 10:24:37 AM »
How would I slot them:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Holl
Marincin - Zaitsev

This is pretty much how I'd do it too.

I'd also be open to
Rielly - Dermott
Gardiner - Holl (Minnesotaaaaaaa)/Carrick
Marincin - Zaitsev

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev/Carrick
Marincin - Holl/Carrick

PP options*: Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott, Carrick, Zaitsev
PK options: Marincin, Zaitsev, Holl, Rielly

* Seeing as how the PP is driven through the right half wall, an LD at the top of the umbrella is preferred.

I'm just wondering, how do you 2 guys slot in a guy into the top-4 that has played a grand total of 2 NHL games, at age 26, that couldn't crack the roster the past 3 years?

And Marincin?  Again?  This is like TJ Brennen all over again, and that other guy I can't remember, and Corrado who was so unfairly treated but then couldn't make an NHL roster anywhere else...enough with these projects. 

Let's get a real top-4 RHS d-man that can play 20-25 minutes, and let the 6 other guys, including Holl, fight over who gets the press box for the season.

Yes, they're going to need to trade a nice asset to get that guy.
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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2018, 10:26:22 AM »
And Marincin?  Again?  This is like TJ Brennen all over again, and that other guy I can't remember, and Corrado who was so unfairly treated but then couldn't make an NHL roster anywhere else...enough with these projects.

Friendly wager Frank? If Marincin is in the Leafs line-up opening night, you put "Carlton was right" in your signature for the month of October. If not I'll put "Frank was right".

*Wager void if Marincin is on the Leafs roster and injured*
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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2018, 10:34:40 AM »
And Marincin?  Again?  This is like TJ Brennen all over again, and that other guy I can't remember, and Corrado who was so unfairly treated but then couldn't make an NHL roster anywhere else...enough with these projects.

Friendly wager Frank? If Marincin is in the Leafs line-up opening night, you put "Carlton was right" in your signature for the month of October. If not I'll put "Frank was right".

*Wager void if Marincin is on the Leafs roster and injured*

You're on.

But I think the point I'm trying to make is, well, why would they do this again?

You go out and sign perhaps the most prominent free agent to sign in Toronto ever, and have a forward corps that can do major damage, but then back it up with recycled AHLers playing prominent minutes on your blue line? 

I just can't imagine why they'd do this.

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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2018, 10:38:54 AM »
I just can't imagine why they'd do this.

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