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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 10:01:28 AM »

This is a good summary of Gilman. He's got Dubas' analytics side, Pridham's capologist side, plus 20 years of NHL executive experience.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 10:09:10 AM »
Gilman essentially replaces Dubas's old role, and Pridham although he's now AGM is still doing the same thing he was doing before.  So they still need a head scout role to be filled that replaces Hunter's old role.

I think Pridham's role expands to beyond mere capology. With the way analytics has gone, the cap game is integral to player valuation, so I think it's a super easy fit to have him overseeing the numbers side of player eval across the league.

Dubas probably helms the scouting group, since he's setting the vision for how the team ought to play.

I think you still need a head scout that all other scouts will report to who'll compile all the info and also use his own observations on player evaluation.  Dubas will have way too many other responsibilities to take that on as well I would imagine.  Head scout will report directly to Dubas.

Technology is at the point where reports are not in paper/pen notebooks; I'm pretty certain I've seen some other teams with in-house scouting report intranet programs where they just punch in their ratings and notes. Dubas sets the parameters for which player profiles are interesting, and I'm sure he will make his regular trips to the rink to see for himself, but scouting is largely a data collection exercise. I don't think a drop-in replacement for Hunter is necessary.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 10:12:40 AM »

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 10:20:25 AM »
Technology is at the point where reports are not in paper/pen notebooks; I'm pretty certain I've seen some other teams with in-house scouting report intranet programs where they just punch in their ratings and notes. Dubas sets the parameters for which player profiles are interesting, and I'm sure he will make his regular trips to the rink to see for himself, but scouting is largely a data collection exercise. I don't think a drop-in replacement for Hunter is necessary.

I'd be very surprised if somebody wasn't named director of amateur scouting, even if it's just an in-house promotion. They don't need to rush and get somebody in to work on this years draft, but at some point in the offseason yeah.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2018, 10:21:03 AM »
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Gilman, 53, has worked for the NHL since 2016 and helped create the rules for the Vegas Golden Knights expansion draft.

 ;)  We love getting guys who helped write rules for the NHL so we can exploit those loopholes only they know about.  Pridham for the cap, now Gilman for the next expansion draft.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2018, 10:25:01 AM »

So I get the sense that this essentially replaces all of Dubas' previous responsibilities. Hunter's role was sorta two-fold: AGM and Head Scout. Pridham's promotion will cover Hunter's AGM responsibilities, so we just need to hire or promote someone to head scout now.

edit: or as birky put it:


This is hilarious on so many levels.  The news about Lamoriello and Hunter leaving was made official on what? Tuesday.  By Thursday we've already hired 2 AGMs.  Dubas ahead of the curve.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2018, 10:28:44 AM »
Technology is at the point where reports are not in paper/pen notebooks; I'm pretty certain I've seen some other teams with in-house scouting report intranet programs where they just punch in their ratings and notes. Dubas sets the parameters for which player profiles are interesting, and I'm sure he will make his regular trips to the rink to see for himself, but scouting is largely a data collection exercise. I don't think a drop-in replacement for Hunter is necessary.

I'd be very surprised if somebody wasn't named director of amateur scouting, even if it's just an in-house promotion. They don't need to rush and get somebody in to work on this years draft, but at some point in the offseason yeah.

I think there will be more of a house cleaning there following the draft, as a lot of the new scouts were Hunter's people and would probably want to follow him after July 15.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 10:30:47 AM »
This is a surprise, Steve Simmons pumping Mark Hunter's tires again...


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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 10:34:29 AM »
This is a surprise, Steve Simmons pumping Mark Hunter's tires again...

I read that as Mark Punter... so guess where the H went instead.
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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2018, 10:55:26 AM »
I think there will be more of a house cleaning there following the draft, as a lot of the new scouts were Hunter's people and would probably want to follow him after July 15.

Maybe. I don't think there was really too many of them, just Hofford and Speltz I think. And being a director of regional scouting (East for Hofford, West for Speltz) for the Toronto Maple Leafs sounds like a pretty plum gig regardless of who's calling the shots, so I don't think them leaving would be guarantees.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2018, 11:14:09 AM »
Hi everyone I know I'm doing a good job hiding it but I'm very excited about Dubas and this hire and the draft and this offseason.

Call me when he analytics us a Cup (hopefully in the next 3 years)

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2018, 11:18:23 AM »
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/05/24/laurence-gilman-hired-as-assistant-general-manager-who-is-he-and-where-does-he-fit-with-the-leafs/

There's a video embedded of the Derek Roy trade call between Gilman (VAN), Frank Provenzano (DAL), and Brandon Pridham (NHL). It's not the most interesting video but it's more fun to me for the connections that have since happened (Provenzano and Gilman were both on Custance's podcast as guests, Pridham is Gilman's colleague now). I had also never heard Pridham speak before.
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Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2018, 12:54:33 PM »
I don't know this guy but just to be a bit prickish if he's wonderful with twenty years experience why isn't he a GM already? Carolina owner stuff notwithstanding.
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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2018, 01:30:21 PM »
I don't know this guy but just to be a bit prickish if he's wonderful with twenty years experience why isn't he a GM already? Carolina owner stuff notwithstanding.

It could be that he doesn't want the full responsibilities. Or, maybe he's excellent in a number of supporting areas, but has gaps in some of the key facets of the role of GM (like contract negotiations - or just direct negotiations in general). There could be a number of reasons. Sometimes, guys are just best suited to the AGM role instead, and want to stay in a role where they can shine rather than take on a larger role they (or others) don't think they'll successful in.

FYI: We don't know what position he was offered in Carolina - just that it was a front office position. There's some speculation it was also essentially an AGM type role.
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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2018, 01:58:05 PM »
I don't know this guy but just to be a bit prickish if he's wonderful with twenty years experience why isn't he a GM already? Carolina owner stuff notwithstanding.

Even though he was relieved of his duties in 2015, his contract with the Canucks didn't expire until this past June and while I can't find anything concrete about it I've heard that Vancouver didn't give teams permission to talk to him about other jobs before that... which is obviously strange.

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Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2018, 01:58:05 PM »