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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #150 on: March 06, 2018, 10:31:35 AM »
How the **** was Buffalo goal #5 a "good goal"?

Andersen was the one who initiated contact outside of the crease.


That was a league nod even-up call for the missed 1999 stanley cup final "foot in crease" goal that lost Buffalo the Cup.  Enjoy Buffalo!

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #151 on: March 06, 2018, 11:04:54 AM »
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.

In his defence, Martin might be a better skater than Leivo. The top-9 is about as good as it can be right now so that's a positive.

He may be a better skater but I don't for a second think he's more useful than Leivo or Moore in the offensive or defensive end.

Regarding the top 9, I don't think it makes much sense to have Brown and Hymen on the same line. Babcock tried that earlier in the season with Matthews at center and the line got destroyed by the other team, since the opposing side could basically ignore Hymen and Brown and focus on Matthews. To me, putting Kapenen with Nylander makes a lot more sense. Kapenen's speed is wasted with Bozak and JVR.
Is Connor Brown redundant on this team when you have a player like Hyman essentially doing the same thing. I would rather have a guy like Johnsson come up (although he is probably on the wrong wing)
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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #152 on: March 06, 2018, 11:12:14 AM »
Phew! Sure glad JVR is still here.

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #153 on: March 06, 2018, 11:37:48 AM »
I think we are 4-19 in recent years playing in Buffalo.  By any measure, that's just pure, inexcusable horsepoo.

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #154 on: March 06, 2018, 12:21:32 PM »
I'm not throwing the towel in just yet, or claiming the season is a waste and management should have built even more for the future.  I take this as a regular up-and-down stretch of the season that teams usually go through.  Leafs were 4-3-3 in the 5th set of 10 games this season before reeling off a 12-2 record right after that.  I think the Leafs can get hot again and hopefully it's at the right time (in the playoffs)

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #155 on: March 07, 2018, 08:03:33 AM »
Uh, based on Herman's overhead, contact is initiated by the Buffalo player at the edge (on the inside) of the crease.

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #156 on: March 07, 2018, 08:10:31 AM »


That's blue paint.

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #157 on: March 07, 2018, 09:34:09 AM »
I saw the significant contact being the skate to pad right at the border of the blue. I see the most confounding issue for the refs being Andersen clearly moving his upper body to box out Larsson, which is more obvious from net front views.

In any case, the refs have moved towards rulings on these where coin toss decisions will break in favour of the on-ice call. It has to be astoundingly obvious to overrule the ref's call. We had one go against the Leafs (cue Matthews eye roll gif) before they had their big pow wow, and one go for the Leafs after that, and now this one goes against. It evens out at the end of the season. Good teams don't stake their wins and losses on refs' decisions but on things that they can control themselves.

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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #158 on: March 07, 2018, 03:29:58 PM »
I saw the significant contact being the skate to pad right at the border of the blue. I see the most confounding issue for the refs being Andersen clearly moving his upper body to box out Larsson, which is more obvious from net front views.

In any case, the refs have moved towards rulings on these where coin toss decisions will break in favour of the on-ice call. It has to be astoundingly obvious to overrule the ref's call. We had one go against the Leafs (cue Matthews eye roll gif) before they had their big pow wow, and one go for the Leafs after that, and now this one goes against. It evens out at the end of the season. Good teams don't stake their wins and losses on refs' decisions but on things that they can control themselves.


While that looked clearly like goaltender interference on the part of the Sabres, still, we cannot say that the referee cost us the game, not when we played poorly thereafter.

If one were to look back at say, an example harking back to the 1993 Western Conference Final between the Leafs & the L.A.Kings, that non-call on Wayne Gretzky, the penalty blatantly visible to all except the referee (Fraser), and wonder whether that cost us the game (it did) and what if it had been called, would we have won, etc.  Would it have changed the trajectory of the series, etc.

In an event like that, no matter how good a team plays, some situations are beyond their grasp.

You still have your point made about good teams not staking their losses on the refs decision but on what they can control. However, my point is, in reference to that, there are times when that control goes out the proverbial window beyond a team's expectations or probables. 
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Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #158 on: March 07, 2018, 03:29:58 PM »