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Offline Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2018, 11:13:46 PM »
Gauthier's not fast enough to play in this league now.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 07:51:47 AM »
Gauthier's not fast enough to play in this league now.

He's faster than Brian Boyle who's been pretty successful in this league.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 10:54:20 AM »
Need to see more of Goat but speed didn't look to be a problem to me. He doesn't appear to be particularly agile but his long reach can make up for that to a degree. Looked competent on the PK and in his own end for the most part. I think he can play in this league.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 11:03:14 AM »
I'm starting to think that it's more likely that JVR and/or Bozak will get re-signed than it is that they'll get traded. I think one of them walks on July 1st and the other is brought back. Not sure which one. Not saying that's what I would do, that's just my gut feeling.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 11:03:58 AM »
Need to see more of Goat but speed didn't look to be a problem to me. He doesn't appear to be particularly agile but his long reach can make up for that to a degree. Looked competent on the PK and in his own end for the most part. I think he can play in this league.

Yeah. For a 4th line C and PKer, I don't think the speed is a big issue. He'll be on the ice against slower players or in a role where his size will make up for a good deal of his lack of footspeed.
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 12:01:25 PM »
I'm starting to think that it's more likely that JVR and/or Bozak will get re-signed than it is that they'll get traded. I think one of them walks on July 1st and the other is brought back. Not sure which one. Not saying that's what I would do, that's just my gut feeling.

I've been feeling that for the past couple of months, but solely for JvR.

The front office really really likes him (like really). His game as a skilled complementary winger doesn't really impede any of our star players (who need the puck) as he just goes to the front and does his thing. He plays a position where we are organizationally shallow, he is a fanatic about hockey and the professional athlete's upkeep (he wants to be Marleau), and he is a true student of the game.

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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 12:24:55 PM »
I've been feeling that for the past couple of months, but solely for JvR.

The front office really really likes him (like really). His game as a skilled complementary winger doesn't really impede any of our star players (who need the puck) as he just goes to the front and does his thing. He plays a position where we are organizationally shallow, he is a fanatic about hockey and the professional athlete's upkeep (he wants to be Marleau), and he is a true student of the game.

Yeah, I really feel like we're going to see that Oshie-style deal with him. $5.75mil x 8 years.

Then with Bozak I think he'll be offered a 3-year deal with a slightly reduced salary, say $3.8mil. He turns 32 in March, and I don't see him getting a contract much more than that. I think people around the league know that he's not capable of being a 2C on a good team. I'm sure some teams could offer him a little more than that but I could see him wanting to stay here where he's comfortable. If he takes it, great. If not, the Leafs will have to look at other options externally. I don't think the they want Nylander there quite yet.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2018, 12:34:06 PM »
I understand the desire to have Nylander at center, but he and Matthews work so well together. Maybe we have someone else in the system who can step into the RW position with Matthews, but I don't think he's currently on the roster. Brown doesn't work, Leivo...hasn't been tried but I think he's too similar to Hyman (with a better shot). Maybe the better approach will be to replace Hyman. Maybe Kapanen would work well with Matthews.

As for JVR...I have mixed feelings. A lot of games he seems to really not do much, you don't really notice him. He's not great along the boards, not overly fast, doesn't really drive play by himself. But he is great at what he does - score from in close, screen, etc. Great hands. So how much of the cap is that worth, and for how many years. 8 years seems like a long time.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2018, 12:41:02 PM »
I've been feeling that for the past couple of months, but solely for JvR.

The front office really really likes him (like really). His game as a skilled complementary winger doesn't really impede any of our star players (who need the puck) as he just goes to the front and does his thing. He plays a position where we are organizationally shallow, he is a fanatic about hockey and the professional athlete's upkeep (he wants to be Marleau), and he is a true student of the game.

Yeah, I really feel like we're going to see that Oshie-style deal with him. $5.75mil x 8 years.

Then with Bozak I think he'll be offered a 3-year deal with a slightly reduced salary, say $3.8mil. He turns 32 in March, and I don't see him getting a contract much more than that. I think people around the league know that he's not capable of being a 2C on a good team. I'm sure some teams could offer him a little more than that but I could see him wanting to stay here where he's comfortable. If he takes it, great. If not, the Leafs will have to look at other options externally. I don't think the they want Nylander there quite yet.

JvR himself also doesn't really care about money (not like Karlsson or Doughty); his agent probably does, but he himself has said he really wants to stay here somewhat regardless of the cost.

My problem with Bozak is that he currently can't anchor a sheltered scoring line, which is really how deep playoff drives tend to happen (which is why JvR might be considered critical). Maybe Bozak turns it up for the stretch drive and proves me wrong. I can see him getting re-signed for 3ish as well on very short term. The front office seems to really like setting up temporary veterans and seeing which developing player will force their hand in supplanting them.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2018, 12:46:15 PM »
Even though I hate long term UFA overspends, even the most inept GM seems to get out from them scott-free after at most a year or two of frustration.

JvR's playstyle has longevity to it, so as long as he can keep skating, he'll still quietly produce near the top of the team with limited minutes.

The cap amount is going up next year by 5M. There's a potential buyout window opening with the CBA expiry in a couple of years, as well as expansion teams opening up within an 8 year timeframe for creative dump-off solutions.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2018, 01:09:41 PM »
One guy who I would target on defence would be New Jersey's Damon Severson. 23 years old, right handed shot, signed to a 6-year deal that just started with a cap hit of $4.166mil. He's sort of like a poor mans Anton Stralman (but not that much poorer).

There aren't really any hard rumours that he's available, but the trade for Vatanen and the play of another righty Steven Santini seems to have bumped him down the line-up. And he's about to be a healthy scratch for a 2nd straight game (plus he was healthy scratched earlier this season too even before the Vatanen trade).

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2018, 04:39:58 PM »
One guy who I would target on defence would be New Jersey's Damon Severson. 23 years old, right handed shot, signed to a 6-year deal that just started with a cap hit of $4.166mil. He's sort of like a poor mans Anton Stralman (but not that much poorer).

There aren't really any hard rumours that he's available, but the trade for Vatanen and the play of another righty Steven Santini seems to have bumped him down the line-up. And he's about to be a healthy scratch for a 2nd straight game (plus he was healthy scratched earlier this season too even before the Vatanen trade).

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I for one have always kind of liked Severson and thought he was the only defenseman they had.
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2018, 07:33:30 PM »
There's no way that Babcock can like JvR that much... He floats a lot lately... Frequently late to loose pucks...

I know he scores a lot, but I do t hink he'll be worth his new contract... I hope they don't sign him and take a chance on a UFA or an internal promotion.

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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2018, 08:06:05 PM »
I agree, he seems to be floating a lot. JVR tune into the PVR
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2018, 09:02:29 PM »
Yeah but what if they do something wily like trade Van Riemsdyk, Bozak, and Komarov for defensive help, and then let Kapanen and Leivo play every day?  That would be a great move IMO.

Moving JvR depends strongly on the return - too weak, and it gives the impression they're throwing in the towel. As for Bozak, they're just not deep enough down the middle to move him without bringing another C in - so, again, seems like throwing in the towel. Unless they really fall off to bubble team status, I don't think either of those two get moved unless there's a huge offer on the table.

I'm with busta here...centre depth isn't great right now, but I suppose Marleau could move there to ride out the year.  There's a post on PPP that's suggesting the Leafs should chase Pacioretty.  The post suggests a pretty massive package that I can't even get my head around for a guy with only 1 year left on his deal.

Trading JVR, Komarov, and Bozak, and Moore, I have a feeling that's why the goat is getting a look.  This season looks to me just like last year...they're just not ready to take the next step yet. 

And another thing...anyone thinking that Leivo and Kapanen can replace the offense of Bozak and JVR is dreaming.  Neither guys are even regular NHLers at this point, and suggesting they replace guys who combine for over 100 points a season is bananas.  If Kapanen and Leivo are playing in those kind of roles, they've thrown in the towel on the season.
Kapanen and Leivo won't replace Bozak and Van Riemdyk's scoring, sure, but the Leafs would hopefully get a couple of good defensemen out of the deal that they sorely need.  Leivo and Kapanen aren't doing the team any good in the press box or in the minors.  Leivo in particular has got to be getting pretty frustrated.  He's done well when he's played and he has never once been rewarded.  I quite like him personally.  Kapanen is skilled also.  We'll see what the front office does.
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Re: Trade Deadline
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