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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2018, 09:46:37 PM »
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I hate to keep harping on it, but coaching is part of it. Some players getting more ice time than they deserve/being in the lineup over more useful players, and the current system has sucked the speed out of the team's game, while also not providing a ton of help in the defensive end.

I'm not quite ready to say Babs should be on thin ice, but I think management needs to take away some of his favourite toys, and give him a talking to about how he plays with the others.

Isn't management telling the coach how to do his job how so many teams have gone down the toilet?  (including the Leafs in the past)

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #151 on: January 02, 2018, 09:47:09 PM »
None of that is happening.

I'm not just talking about tonight - though Komarov got more ice time than he probably should have, and the 4th line probably shouldn't have seen the ice in the 3rd.

I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else. 

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #152 on: January 02, 2018, 09:48:00 PM »
Isn't management telling the coach how to do his job how so many teams have gone down the toilet?  (including the Leafs in the past)

If you're talking micromanaging, sure. If you're pointing out that a strategy isn't working and guys like Hyman shouldn't be leading the forwards in ice time? I'm okay with that.
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #153 on: January 02, 2018, 09:48:02 PM »
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I don't think it's been that one sided.  I thought the Leafs managed some pressure on them.  I think Tampa has the better defence, and their forward group has more talent, so I think this is a fairly good showing.

Yeah I was fully expecting to get dominated but it's been pretty close I think. That 1st goal was the back-breaker. If the Leafs got an opportunity like that first who knows what would have happened.

Definitely a better showing than against Vegas.  I think this just shows where the Leafs have to get to.  Tampa could skate with Toronto, and they capitalized on their chances.   
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #154 on: January 02, 2018, 09:48:53 PM »
I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else.

Probably not, and, I do think he's smart enough a coach to eventually figure it out. It just frustrates me that he hasn't yet/hasn't been able to get the message to the players yet.
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #155 on: January 02, 2018, 09:49:45 PM »
Is that the first time we've been shutout this year?

Second. They were shutout by Minny last month.

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #156 on: January 02, 2018, 09:51:46 PM »
I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else.

Probably not, and, I do think he's smart enough a coach to eventually figure it out. It just frustrates me that he hasn't yet/hasn't been able to get the message to the players yet.

Well, like we've said before he is going to get them to play like the Wings and nothing is going to stand in his way.  And really, the fact that they played Tampa pretty darn even only strengthens his case, if indeed there is any arguing going on behind the scenes with the rest of the brass, which I rather doubt.  They all know where the weaknesses are.

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #157 on: January 02, 2018, 09:52:09 PM »
Is that the first time we've been shutout this year?

Second. They were shutout by Minny last month.

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #158 on: January 02, 2018, 09:53:33 PM »
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #159 on: January 02, 2018, 09:54:30 PM »
Playing VGK and Tampa back to back is interesting.  One is a fluke.  The other looks like it's finally going to get the Cup.  That's one strong team.  Sergachev for Drouin for godssakes.

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #160 on: January 02, 2018, 09:55:38 PM »
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).

I think you may have just refuted yourself. 

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #161 on: January 02, 2018, 10:00:36 PM »
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).

I think you may have just refuted yourself.

I have to say, Reilly was really strong tonight.  Also, I kinda liked Gardiner's drunken monkey skating style tonight.
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #162 on: January 02, 2018, 11:33:37 PM »

Happy New Year.
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #163 on: January 02, 2018, 11:41:04 PM »
I thought the 4th line was all right.  It was when they, or any line for that matter was paired with Polak et al.  That was the issue. Marincin was tried and wasn't the answer. Carrick isn't the answer either so let's try more Marlies or make a deal. 

Unfortunately Polak is in Babcock's penthouse suite right now.
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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
« Reply #164 on: January 03, 2018, 12:43:41 AM »
The way Marner was flying out there, the only thing missing was a cape.  :D

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Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
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