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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2017, 11:20:30 AM »
Shero just upgraded on the departed Larsson for spare parts (one of which was a Devils icon of sorts).

Hall + Vatanen + maybe pick for Larsson, Blandisi, Henrique, middle pick.

Upgrade on Larsson?  Man, Larsson may not provide the offense Vatanen does (which he mostly does on the PP) but he's a heck of a lot better 5v5.  I'd want Larsson way more than Vatanen.  That said, I'd take Hall + Vatanen over Larsson + Henrique though.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2017, 11:49:33 AM »
I think bottom line, the Leafs need a D to bump Carrick and/or Polak outta the lineup and, hopefully, bump Hainsey out of the top 4.

Vatanen, maybe, could have done that. I would have liked to see what Babcock could have done with him. Vatanen maybe wasn't the best option, but he might have been the only option.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2017, 12:03:46 PM »
Upgrade on Larsson?  Man, Larsson may not provide the offense Vatanen does (which he mostly does on the PP) but he's a heck of a lot better 5v5.  I'd want Larsson way more than Vatanen.

I'd rather have Larsson on the Leafs for sure, but I think that Vatanen is a better fit for the Devils. Their defence was really lacking in mobility/scoring, and they still have Greene and Severson to handle more of the defensive responsibilities.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2017, 12:12:57 PM »
Upgrade on Larsson?  Man, Larsson may not provide the offense Vatanen does (which he mostly does on the PP) but he's a heck of a lot better 5v5.  I'd want Larsson way more than Vatanen.

I'd rather have Larsson on the Leafs for sure, but I think that Vatanen is a better fit for the Devils. Their defence was really lacking in mobility/scoring, and they still have Greene and Severson to handle more of the defensive responsibilities.

That's kind of what I was saying as I was speaking from the Devils' perspective, but Carlton was more clear. Vatanen is the flavour of middle-pairing defenseman that NJD could use.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2017, 12:34:27 PM »
Upgrade on Larsson?  Man, Larsson may not provide the offense Vatanen does (which he mostly does on the PP) but he's a heck of a lot better 5v5.  I'd want Larsson way more than Vatanen.

I'd rather have Larsson on the Leafs for sure, but I think that Vatanen is a better fit for the Devils. Their defence was really lacking in mobility/scoring, and they still have Greene and Severson to handle more of the defensive responsibilities.

That's kind of what I was saying as I was speaking from the Devils' perspective, but Carlton was more clear. Vatanen is the flavour of middle-pairing defenseman that NJD could use.

The problem is, Vatanen is not a good middle-pairing defenseman.  He's only ever been good playing a sheltered role (3rd pair) with PP minutes:

https://theathletic.com/65803/2017/06/09/leafs-should-sidestep-any-deal-for-defenceman-sami-vatanen/

I do agree that for NJ, Vatanen is a better fit than on the Leafs.  Then again, Will Butcher is lighting it up on the PP (10 points on the PP) so Vatanen is not required quite as much.

But I still disagree that NJ "upgraded" from Larsson which is what it sounded like herman was saying.  Overall, yes they upgraded- but not on their defense.  Their big upgrade was adding Hall who I think is one of the best wingers in the league.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 12:52:37 PM »
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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
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