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Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« on: November 30, 2017, 10:08:26 AM »
To Ducks

Henrique
Blandisi
2018 3rd Rnd Pick

To Devils

Vatanen
Conditional 3rd Rnd Pick
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 10:10:23 AM by WhatIfGodWasALeaf »

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 10:09:53 AM »
Dang.  I would have loved Vatanen.  I don't know much about Blandisi, but Henrique is a decent player.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2017, 10:12:44 AM »
Well that came out of nowhere. I like this trade for New Jersey. I also think it's a pretty fair D for F exchange which is pretty funny considering the last D for F deal the Devils made of course.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2017, 10:14:34 AM »
Dang.  I would have loved Vatanen.  I don't know much about Blandisi, but Henrique is a decent player.

Where would you pencil him in?

Is he defensively responsible enough to replace Zaitsev on the second unit with Gardiner?

He probably makes too much for him to be a third pairing guy.

Hainsey seems to compliment Rielly so well, allowing him to be more adventurous on offense.

I like him, I really liked him earlier in his career, but I think he is probably more of what the Leafs already have and not the best fit here right now.


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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2017, 10:17:36 AM »
I would have no desire for Vatanen here really.  Bad possession player (who's usually playing on the 2nd/3rd pair) who scores on the powerplay.  We already have two powerplay D-men I'd play ahead of him and Zaitsev already has the mantle of not so great possession on our second pair.  At least Zaitsev can kill penalties.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2017, 10:18:31 AM »
I like him, I really liked him earlier in his career, but I think he is probably more of what the Leafs already have and not the best fit here right now.

Agreed. He's certainly a good player, but if we're giving up good assets to get a defenceman he's not really the guy I'd be going after hard.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2017, 10:19:24 AM »
I would have no desire for Vatanen here really.  Bad possession player (who's usually playing on the 2nd/3rd pair) who scores on the powerplay.  We already have two powerplay D-men I'd play ahead of him and Zaitsev already has the mantle of not so great possession on our second pair.  At least Zaitsev can kill penalties.

Yeah, if the Leafs get another dman via trade, I'm hoping it will be a mobile penalty killer that can help solidify things.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2017, 10:22:19 AM »
What the hell is going on around here lately?

We're supposed to be outraged that they didn't get a Ducks defenseman.

Wake up Lou!  THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, QUIT SITTING ON YOUR HANDS!

I'll remember this trade opportunity lost when the Leafs don't win the Cup this year.  I'm keeping a database.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2017, 10:23:57 AM »
I would have no desire for Vatanen here really.  Bad possession player (who's usually playing on the 2nd/3rd pair) who scores on the powerplay.  We already have two powerplay D-men I'd play ahead of him and Zaitsev already has the mantle of not so great possession on our second pair.  At least Zaitsev can kill penalties.

Yeah, if the Leafs get another dman via trade, I'm hoping it will be a mobile penalty killer that can help solidify things.

Erik Karlsson kills penalties, right?

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2017, 10:28:09 AM »
The conditions on the pick going to the Devils, per ProHockeyRumors.com:

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The conditions on the pick are as follows:

If Anaheim signs Henrique to an extension prior to the 2019 draft, Anaheim will transfer their 2019 third-round pick.
If Anaheim signs Henrique to an extension after the 2019 draft, Anaheim will transfer their 2020 third-round pick.
If Anaheim does not sign Henrique to an extension before he becomes a free agent on July 1, 2019, no pick will be transferred.
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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2017, 10:36:49 AM »
What the hell is going on around here lately?

We're supposed to be outraged that they didn't get a Ducks defenseman.

Wake up Lou!  THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, QUIT SITTING ON YOUR HANDS!

I'll remember this trade opportunity lost when the Leafs don't win the Cup this year.  I'm keeping a database.

Listening to McKenzie yesterday on the radio, he said that the Leafs don't view their defence the same way others view their defence.  So they would like to tweak it, but as has been mentioned, how do you do so?  Who are you going to get that is going to push someone out of the top 4?  And if you aren't getting a top four, then who are you giving up to get a 3rd pairing defenceman.  For example, if you were going to get Cole, the ask is probably Bozak. 
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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2017, 10:49:42 AM »
What the hell is going on around here lately?

We're supposed to be outraged that they didn't get a Ducks defenseman.

Wake up Lou!  THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, QUIT SITTING ON YOUR HANDS!

I'll remember this trade opportunity lost when the Leafs don't win the Cup this year.  I'm keeping a database.

Listening to McKenzie yesterday on the radio, he said that the Leafs don't view their defence the same way others view their defence.  So they would like to tweak it, but as has been mentioned, how do you do so?  Who are you going to get that is going to push someone out of the top 4?  And if you aren't getting a top four, then who are you giving up to get a 3rd pairing defenceman.  For example, if you were going to get Cole, the ask is probably Bozak.

Listen, reason has nothing to do with outrage, so don't go trying to "OK, but..." me. 

ETA:  There was a defenseman traded today, and the Leafs didn't get him...that's all I need to be outraged.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2017, 10:57:37 AM »
What the hell is going on around here lately?

We're supposed to be outraged that they didn't get a Ducks defenseman.

Wake up Lou!  THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, QUIT SITTING ON YOUR HANDS!

I'll remember this trade opportunity lost when the Leafs don't win the Cup this year.  I'm keeping a database.

Listening to McKenzie yesterday on the radio, he said that the Leafs don't view their defence the same way others view their defence.  So they would like to tweak it, but as has been mentioned, how do you do so?  Who are you going to get that is going to push someone out of the top 4?  And if you aren't getting a top four, then who are you giving up to get a 3rd pairing defenceman.  For example, if you were going to get Cole, the ask is probably Bozak.

Listen, reason has nothing to do with outrage, so don't go trying to "OK, but..." me. 

ETA:  There was a defenseman traded today, and the Leafs didn't get him...that's all I need to be outraged.

Dually noted sir. 

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2017, 11:00:24 AM »
Shero just upgraded on the departed Larsson for spare parts (one of which was a Devils icon of sorts).

Hall + Vatanen + maybe pick for Larsson, Blandisi, Henrique, middle pick.

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2017, 11:02:36 AM »
Erik Karlsson kills penalties, right?

I know at one point last year he averaged about two minutes a game.

We aren't trading for him anyway...he's signing here as a UFA in 2019.  ;)

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Re: Henrique to Ducks Vatanen to Devils
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