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Leafs worst 1st round pick
« on: November 16, 2017, 10:53:45 AM »
I stumbled across an article that listed Tyler Biggs as the Leafs biggest draft bust.  The criteria they used for saying this is the following:

"The 2011 draft was a huge low point, when the Buds squandered two first round picks on Stuart Percy (25th overall) and Tyler Biggs (22nd overall). Percy has at least played 12 games at the NHL level, while Biggs is gone from the Maple Leafs system and is in the ECHL as a free agent. In the Brian Burke “truculence” era, Biggs was square in Burke’s sights at the ’11 event, coming in at 6’2″ and 220 lbs. Unfortunately, Biggs was a bust in the AHL with the Marlies and was eventually sent to the ECHL’s Orlando Solar Bears in 2015 before being included in the Phil Kessel trade to Pittsburgh."

That got me looking through the Leafs draft history and seeing if I could find someone who would be considered more of a bust then Biggs.  See the thing is, I think that while Biggs didn't amount to much, you have to take other things in to consideration, such as draft position and who else was available.  There were better options than Biggs at the time of the draft, and I believe several brought that up at the time, so maybe you feel he is the biggest bust as well.  Here's a list of the Leafs first round picks over the years, and what they accomplished in the NHL.  Obviously some of these are not going to be in the conversation because they were really good picks, but I thought I would include them all as a nice walk down memory lane. 

Year   Position   Player   Games Played   Points
2017   17th Overall   Timothy Liljegren    0   0
2016   1st Overall   Auston Matthews    98   88
2015   4th Overall   Mitch Marner    96   76
2014   8th Overall   William Nylander    122   87
2013   21st Overall   Frederic Gauthier    28   4
2012   5th Overall   Morgan Reilly    331   135
2011   22nd Overall   Tyler Biggs    0   0
2011   25th Overall   Stuart Percy    12   3
2009   7th Overall   Nazem Kadri    427   274
2008   5th Overall   Luke Schenn    664   138
2006   13th Overall   Jiri Tlusty    446   177
2005   21st Overall   Tukka Rask    407   9
2002   24th Overall   Alexander Steen    835   540
2001   17th Overall   Carlo Colaiacovo    470   157
2000   24th Overall   Brad Boyes    822   505
1999   24th Overall   Luca Cereda    0   0
1998   10th Overall   Nikolai Antropov    788   465
1995   15th Overall   Jeff Ware    21   1
1994   16th Overall   Eric Fichaud    95   1
1993   12th Overall   Kenny Jonsson    686   267
1993   19th Overall   Landon Wilson    375   119
1992   8th Overall   Brandon Convery    72   28
1992   23rd Overall   Grant Marshall    700   239
1990   10th Overall   Drake Berehowsky    549   149
1989   3rd Overall   Scott Thorton    941   285
1989   12th Overall   Rob Pearson    269   110
1989   21st Overall   Steve Bancroft    6   1
1988   6th Overall   Scott Pearson    292   98
1987   7th Overall   Luke Richardson    1417   201
1986   6th Overall   Vincent Damphousse    1378   1205
1985   1st Overall   Wendel Clark    793   564
1984   4th Overall   Al Iafrate    799   463
1983   7th Overall   Russ Courtnall    1029   744
1982   3rd Overall   Gary Nylund    608   171
1981   6th Overall   Jim Benning    610   243
1979   9th Overall   Laurie Boschman    1009   577
1977   11th Overall   John Andersen    814   631
1977   12th Overall   Trevor Johansen    286   57
1975   6th Overall   Dan Ashby    188   96
1974   13th Overall   Jack Valiquette    350   218
1973   4th Overall   Lanny McDonald    1111   1006
1973   10th Overall   Bob McNeely    283   98
1973   15th Overall   Ian Turnbull    628   440
1972   11th Overall   George Ferguson    797   398
1970   8th Overall   Daryl Sittler    1096   1121
1969   9th Overall   Ernie Moser    0   0
1968   10th Overall   Brad Selwood    163   47
1966   4th Overall   John Wright    127   52
1964   5th Overall   Tom Martin    3   1
1963   6th Overall   Walt McKechnie    955   606

So for me, it's 1988's Scott Pearson (sorry Scott).  I feel that with a 6th overall pick, you should get a pretty good player.  I think I read somewhere that the Leafs reached on him in that draft, which I think is supported by the fact that the next 4 players taken in that draft were Martin Gelinas, Jeremy Roenick, Rod Brind'Amour, and Teemu Selanne.   
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Re: Leafs worst 1st round pick
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2017, 10:58:55 AM »

Pearson or Convery I suppose. I'm inclined to lean towards Convery if only because it's post-Ballard and the team was at least in theory being run by competent professionals.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2017, 11:00:06 AM »
I'm slightly less critical of a teams drafting record prior to the invention of the internet. Biggs was certainly the worst 1st rounder of the past 20 years. Percy was the second worst. What a terrible draft.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 11:01:27 AM »

Pearson or Convery I suppose. I'm inclined to lean towards Convery if only because it's post-Ballard and the team was at least in theory being run by competent professionals.

I thought about Convery as well, but when you look at the draft, they only really missed out on Gonchar, Jason Smith or Martin Straka.  It wasn't an overly strong draft, so it depends on how that factors in to the whole biggest miss equation.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2017, 11:04:06 AM »
I'm slightly less critical of a teams drafting record prior to the invention of the internet. Biggs was certainly the worst 1st rounder of the past 20 years. Percy was the second worst. What a terrible draft.

The modern internet has technically been around since 1983. 
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Re: Leafs worst 1st round pick
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2017, 11:11:49 AM »
I'm slightly less critical of a teams drafting record prior to the invention of the internet. Biggs was certainly the worst 1st rounder of the past 20 years. Percy was the second worst. What a terrible draft.

The modern internet has technically been around since 1983. 

This is true, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that NHL GMs weren't exactly on the cutting edge of that stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2017, 11:21:14 AM »

Pearson or Convery I suppose. I'm inclined to lean towards Convery if only because it's post-Ballard and the team was at least in theory being run by competent professionals.

I thought about Convery as well, but when you look at the draft, they only really missed out on Gonchar, Jason Smith or Martin Straka.  It wasn't an overly strong draft, so it depends on how that factors in to the whole biggest miss equation.

Yeah, but with '88 you're talking about Stellick making the pick with 6 weeks on the job and with the crazy old man probably yelling something about no europeans. It's a lousy pick but understandable given the circumstances.
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Re: Leafs worst 1st round pick
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2017, 11:22:11 AM »
Interesting, just to go back as far as 2000 (which sort of ties in with when I began following the Leafs more or less) there's quite a few good players in there. Problem is most of them probably ended up being better once they left Toronto...
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 11:26:52 AM »

Pearson or Convery I suppose. I'm inclined to lean towards Convery if only because it's post-Ballard and the team was at least in theory being run by competent professionals.

I thought about Convery as well, but when you look at the draft, they only really missed out on Gonchar, Jason Smith or Martin Straka.  It wasn't an overly strong draft, so it depends on how that factors in to the whole biggest miss equation.

Yeah, but with '88 you're talking about Stellick making the pick with 6 weeks on the job and with the crazy old man probably yelling something about no europeans. It's a lousy pick but understandable given the circumstances.

This is true.  I didn't factor that in to the equation.  The thought of this made me laugh.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 11:27:51 AM »
I'm slightly less critical of a teams drafting record prior to the invention of the internet. Biggs was certainly the worst 1st rounder of the past 20 years. Percy was the second worst. What a terrible draft.

The modern internet has technically been around since 1983. 

This is true, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that NHL GMs weren't exactly on the cutting edge of that stuff.

Oh sure.  Next your going to tell me that there are some that aren't embracing analytics.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2017, 11:30:03 AM »
Interesting, just to go back as far as 2000 (which sort of ties in with when I began following the Leafs more or less) there's quite a few good players in there. Problem is most of them probably ended up being better once they left Toronto...

See in that list, Luke Schenn is an interesting case.  The Leafs didn't reach on him, and the consensus was that he should be picked around 5 or 6, but he didn't really amount to the player that you would be expecting to get at that spot in the draft.  So is he a bust?   
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2017, 11:32:00 AM »
Luke is not a bust because he gave us JVR and I believe he is still playing somewhere in the NHL.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2017, 11:34:11 AM »
All factors considered, I think Biggs is the right call. There were better players available, the team wasn't being run by a bigot, and they actually traded up to acquire him. Convery wasn't great, but it wasn't a great draft. Pearson wasn't great, but Stellick/Ballard. A number of the early picks weren't great, but, teams didn't seem to really understand the draft yet. Cereda didn't work out, but the circumstances there came after the draft.

I was leaning towards Ware for a bit, but that was also a bad draft. There were a couple better choices, but no one who stood out as being the guy they clearly should have picked with the scouting reports they likely had.
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Re: Leafs worst 1st round pick
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2017, 11:36:36 AM »
Interesting, just to go back as far as 2000 (which sort of ties in with when I began following the Leafs more or less) there's quite a few good players in there. Problem is most of them probably ended up being better once they left Toronto...

See in that list, Luke Schenn is an interesting case.  The Leafs didn't reach on him, and the consensus was that he should be picked around 5 or 6, but he didn't really amount to the player that you would be expecting to get at that spot in the draft.  So is he a bust?

I think that's a case where scouting just hadn't caught up to the realities of the new NHL. A bust? Sure. But he was the consensus pick there.

Although the same GM picked Convery so...
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2017, 11:38:43 AM »

So I guess he doesn't really qualify because he had a NHL career but maybe some thought to it being getting Thornton with the #3 pick in what was one of the 5 best NHL drafts of all time?
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