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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »
FWIW Dorion said this morning that Turris never entertained a 6 year deal from Ottawa, he was firm on 7 or 8.

I mean, the fact that he signed a 6 year deal pretty quickly with the Preds calls that into question.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2017, 12:24:24 PM »
Yeah, we don't know for sure.  But I got the sense the Sens didn't want to sign him for 6+ years at this point in time.  Could that have changed come the end of this season where they haven't gotten anything back for the asset?  Maybe.  Sounds like Dorion wanted Duchene from the moment he became GM and turned an asset he wasn't comfortable signing long-term as part of the package to get him.

http://www.tsn.ca/how-did-it-come-to-this-with-kyle-turris-1.906604

He was definitely fully on the Duchene train, but I don't buy that he wasn't comfortable signing Turris long-term - just not 7+ seasons.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2017, 12:25:25 PM »
FWIW Dorion said this morning that Turris never entertained a 6 year deal from Ottawa, he was firm on 7 or 8.

I mean, the fact that he signed a 6 year deal pretty quickly with the Preds calls that into question.

Sure, but I'd be surprised if Dorion just flat out lied like that though, especially when it's something easily fact-checked by reporters who can speak to Turris.

It could be a case of Turris being much more enthusiastic about playing in Nashville.

Honestly, who would blame him? I think the Preds run last year opened a lot of eyes to how awesome that market is off the ice.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2017, 12:27:33 PM »
FWIW Dorion said this morning that Turris never entertained a 6 year deal from Ottawa, he was firm on 7 or 8.

I mean, the fact that he signed a 6 year deal pretty quickly with the Preds calls that into question.

Not necessarily.  Just because a guy will sign a particular deal with one team doesn't mean he'll sign it elsewhere.  Maybe he doesn't like it in Ottawa as much as some people would assume.  Maybe he wanted 7/8 years and would have waited for it to happen on the open market this summer instead of taking 6 in Ottawa.

Then you get a call from Nashville saying "we are going to trade for you if you agree to a deal".  And you're like, well shit, this team has a great chance at a cup in the next few years... I'll take one year less to sign with them and get out of this ongoing contract-situation talk here in Ottawa.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2017, 12:28:43 PM »
Sure, but I'd be surprised if Dorion just flat out lied like that though, especially when it's something easily fact-checked by reporters who can speak to Turris.

It could be a case of Turris being much more enthusiastic about playing in Nashville.

GMs misrepresent failed negotiations all the time, and reporters generally don't bother to follow up with the players about them since the players will generally give a canned answer about "I'm a member of X team now," etc.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2017, 12:32:19 PM »
Not necessarily.  Just because a guy will sign a particular deal with one team doesn't mean he'll sign it elsewhere.  Maybe he doesn't like it in Ottawa as much as some people would assume.  Maybe he wanted 7/8 years and would have waited for it to happen on the open market this summer instead of taking 6 in Ottawa.

Sorry, I just don't buy that.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »
Not necessarily.  Just because a guy will sign a particular deal with one team doesn't mean he'll sign it elsewhere.  Maybe he doesn't like it in Ottawa as much as some people would assume.  Maybe he wanted 7/8 years and would have waited for it to happen on the open market this summer instead of taking 6 in Ottawa.

Sorry, I just don't buy that.

What exactly don't you buy?  That guys will take different deals with different teams???


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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2017, 12:47:45 PM »
What exactly don't you buy?  That guys will take different deals with different teams???

The whole theory that he would only take 7/8 years from the sens to not test the market. I don't buy that he wouldn't been open to 6 years as negotiations progressed.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2017, 12:51:45 PM »
What exactly don't you buy?  That guys will take different deals with different teams???

The whole theory that he would only take 7/8 years from the sens to not test the market.

Well, you've said you don't necessarily believe Dorion when he says 6 yr deal was never offered from Turris' camp but it doesn't sound like anything other than 7+ years was on the table from him.  So sure, maybe Turris contract demands come down later- but if the guy you've been negotiating with for months keeps saying "7" and you don't want to go that long, then maybe the right thing is to trade him instead of seeing if he'll change his mind.  Especially if you feel you are getting an upgrade (despite the extra assets you are sending along).

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2017, 12:58:48 PM »

I saw a number of people write that the Turris contract came together pretty quickly, which was a fair assumption to make but it seems like that wasn't the case.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2017, 01:07:08 PM »

I saw a number of people write that the Turris contract came together pretty quickly, which was a fair assumption to make but it seems like that wasn't the case.

Even a week is pretty quick when compared to the issues Ottawa supposedly had getting an extension signed over the summer. Maybe Dorion just sucks at contract negotiations?
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2017, 01:12:16 PM »
Even a week is pretty quick when compared to the issues Ottawa supposedly had getting an extension signed over the summer. Maybe Dorion just sucks at contract negotiations?

The pressure of holding a 3-way trade up likely made things go a little faster. I do think that there's a legit argument to be made that Turris probably just didn't want to sign in Ottawa, which isn't really that difficult to believe.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2017, 01:19:07 PM »
A couple of interesting things about the Turris contract per Capfriendly: 1) doesn't include any no-trade or no-movement clauses and 2) doesn't include any signing bonuses, even in the likely lockout year. That's incredibly rare for a contract like his.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2017, 01:31:36 PM »
6/6 in Nashville goes a longer way than whatever Ottawa could offer.

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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 01:40:02 PM »
The pressure of holding a 3-way trade up likely made things go a little faster. I do think that there's a legit argument to be made that Turris probably just didn't want to sign in Ottawa, which isn't really that difficult to believe.

I'm gonna stick with Dorion sucks at negotiations. I don't think Turris signs a contract he's not happy with just to allow a trade to go through, and he seemed pretty happy to stay in Ottawa - at least, until negotiations got underway and there didn't seem to be any movement.
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Re: Duchene & Turris traded
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2017, 01:40:02 PM »