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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 04:39:38 PM »
What I find interesting is everyone equates Martin's spot in the lineup entirely with the fact he can throw fisticuffs really well.  Cmon now, the front office and Babcock are at least a little smarter than that.  They realize the game has less and less fights and his ability with them isn't really impacting the game.  Do you think they'd keep him in the lineup for a diminishing aspect of the game only?  Maybe there is something else he brings that makes him useful? 

He has one other attribute in particular that is top notch:  Hitting.   Hitting isn't an attribute that people like to equate with being "good", considering you usually don't have the puck when you are finishing a check, but I do think it has some effectiveness in a fourth line role. 

Just how good is Martin at hitting?  Take a look at corsica's "other" stats for last year:

http://corsica.hockey/skater-stats/?season=20162017&player=&team=Any&game_state=5v5&options=&session=Regular&venue=Any&report=Other&position=Any&min_toi=50&tab=Main

Then sort by iHF/60.  Martin is 1st in the NHL at 25.21.  Only 61 players in the NHL are above 15 hits/60.  Only three leafs were above 10 hits/60 last year (Komarov: 12.2, Soshnikov: 11.3, Polak:  11.1.)  NOTE:  Borgman is above 10 this year, and Polak is down quite a bit- probably too slow after the injury to be finishing as many hits. 

Just to clarify, I'm not saying I particularly buy that Matt Martin's ability to hit should outweigh what other players in the organization can bring to the team whether it be scoring or penalty killing or whatever.  I don't think the coaches or front office look around the league and think they need a fighter in the lineup, so lets play Matt Martin.  I think it has a lot to do with the physicality he brings overall, on a team that lacks it outside of a few players.

And, in games against some heavier teams, like Anaheim and LA these next two nights, I'd actually rotate him in for someone.  I don't think he should be in the lineup every night though, especially if Leivo never gets a sniff. The lineup I posted in the Sharks game day thread doesn't have him in it because I don't personally value his hitting over what Kapanen/Leivo etc can bring. 

P.S.  I also HATE his contract.  To some degree, I'm sure he gets a regular spot in the lineup because of that.   


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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 05:27:42 PM »
Martin's there not for the fighting or hitting, he's there as another layer of accountability against guys kneeing or boarding the superstars. Babs has said himself we don't have liberties taken with us when he's in the lineup and he would know. We should be thankful he's not an Orr or McLaren.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 05:43:30 PM »

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 05:51:20 PM »
The DUCKS are missing a lot of regulars tonight. Just for kicks, what would the Leafs look like if we were missing comparable-ish players:

Getzlaf (Matthews), Kesler (Kadri), Fowler (Rielly), Bieksa (Polak) and Eaves (Komarov)

Hyman-Nylander-Brown
JVR-Marleau-Marner
Leivo-Bozak-Kapanen
Martin-Moore-Soshnikov

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Borgman-Hainsey
Rosen-Carrick
« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 06:16:28 PM by CarltonTheBear »

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2017, 06:10:50 PM »
The Sharks are missing a lot of regulars tonight. Just for kicks, what would the Leafs look like if we were missing comparable-ish players:

Getzlaf (Matthews), Kesler (Kadri), Fowler (Rielly), Bieksa (Polak) and Eaves (Komarov)

Hyman-Nylander-Brown
JVR-Marleau-Marner
Leivo-Bozak-Kapanen
Martin-Moore-Soshnikov

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Borgman-Hainsey
Rosen-Carrick

Quack.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 06:14:25 PM »
The Sharks are missing a lot of regulars tonight. Just for kicks, what would the Leafs look like if we were missing comparable-ish players:

Getzlaf (Matthews), Kesler (Kadri), Fowler (Rielly), Bieksa (Polak) and Eaves (Komarov)

Hyman-Nylander-Brown
JVR-Marleau-Marner
Leivo-Bozak-Kapanen
Martin-Moore-Soshnikov

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Borgman-Hainsey
Rosen-Carrick

Quack.


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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 06:36:12 PM »

Dammit. Sample size is working against me!
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 10:01:18 PM »
eff!

stupid freaking baseball game is on. I don't appear to get this game tonight

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2017, 10:11:33 PM »
eff!

stupid freaking baseball game is on. I don't appear to get this game tonight

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2017, 10:22:16 PM »
JVR>Brown!!

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2017, 10:23:32 PM »
I have the youtube stream if anyone needs it. Great delay pass by JVR.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2017, 10:23:58 PM »
JVR>Brown!!

Preceded by a couple good scoring chances for that line...

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2017, 10:24:19 PM »
That was incredibly sexy.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2017, 10:24:33 PM »
Ugh -- off of somebody and it's 1-1.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2017, 10:25:08 PM »
I have the youtube stream if anyone needs it. Great delay pass by JVR.

Again, yes please good sir.  The ANA announcers are boring.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Nov. 1st, 10:00pm - SN1, Fan 590
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2017, 10:25:08 PM »