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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2017, 07:47:34 AM »
https://theathletic.com/119885/2017/10/06/mirtle-why-the-leafs-cut-martin-marincin-two-days-into-the-season/

I was thinking about this in the preseason, but it didn't occur to me to apply it to this scenario. Mirtle's theory is that Marincin technically didn't make the team, but his higher cap hit (and Fehr's) were helpful in getting us right up against the Cap when applying Lupul's LTIR.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2017, 08:21:53 AM »
This makes sense to me.

I was wondering why Marincin didn't play in one of the back-to-back
preseason ending games.  He was the only one of the top 25 or so
that didn't play in one of those games.  I was actually surprised he 'made' it after that.

Sounds like he was cut in Babcock's mind a long time ago.

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2017, 10:06:29 AM »
This makes sense to me.

I was wondering why Marincin didn't play in one of the back-to-back
preseason ending games.  He was the only one of the top 25 or so
that didn't play in one of those games.  I was actually surprised he 'made' it after that.

Sounds like he was cut in Babcock's mind a long time ago.

He's such a frustrating player. He has all the tools to be good but makes that one gaffe that basically costs the team.
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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2017, 10:34:20 AM »
If he clears does he have to play for the Marlies or could he swing over to the KHL?
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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2017, 11:19:27 AM »
This makes sense to me.

I was wondering why Marincin didn't play in one of the back-to-back
preseason ending games.  He was the only one of the top 25 or so
that didn't play in one of those games.  I was actually surprised he 'made' it after that.

Sounds like he was cut in Babcock's mind a long time ago.

He's such a frustrating player. He has all the tools to be good but makes that one gaffe that basically costs the team.

Its interesting because he's pretty much the exact opposite of Jake.  Jake drove play almost entirely by getting the puck and making things develop offensively with controlled exits/entries.  He was never bad defensively, but that one gaffe per game (defensively) always seemed to stick out like a sore thumb.  Recently, those gaffe's have become minimal- he's improved defensively to the point where he should be considered a #1 defenseman but isn't yet because of the baggage he's carrying and the Leafs trying to make Rielly the #1 d-man over the past few years.

Marincin's talents were almost entirely defensive... stopping the puck from entering the zone and doing it so well that his lack of offense was acceptable.  Marincin's gaffes were almost always with the puck on his stick.  He threw it away enough that you'd notice the gaffes with it that ended up in the back of the net.  But both were effective. 

The main problem with Marincin is developing puck skills, patience, etc is a whole lot harder than improving defensively like Jake did.  Furthermore, the Leafs style of play (and where the NHL is going in general) fits in perfectly with Jake's game... and doesn't with Marincin's. 

The only reason I'd keep Marincin around is I don't really want Rosen or Dermott sitting in the press box to be the 7th defenseman.  If they aren't playing with the Leafs regularily, they should be playing big minutes with the Marlies.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2017, 11:41:50 AM »
Its interesting because he's pretty much the exact opposite of Jake.  Jake drove play almost entirely by getting the puck and making things develop offensively with controlled exits/entries.  He was never bad defensively, but that one gaffe per game (defensively) always seemed to stick out like a sore thumb.  Recently, those gaffe's have become minimal- he's improved defensively to the point where he should be considered a #1 defenseman but isn't yet because of the baggage he's carrying and the Leafs trying to make Rielly the #1 d-man over the past few years.

Marincin's talents were almost entirely defensive... stopping the puck from entering the zone and doing it so well that his lack of offense was acceptable.  Marincin's gaffes were almost always with the puck on his stick.  He threw it away enough that you'd notice the gaffes with it that ended up in the back of the net.  But both were effective. 

The main problem with Marincin is developing puck skills, patience, etc is a whole lot harder than improving defensively like Jake did.  Furthermore, the Leafs style of play (and where the NHL is going in general) fits in perfectly with Jake's game... and doesn't with Marincin's. 

The only reason I'd keep Marincin around is I don't really want Rosen or Dermott sitting in the press box to be the 7th defenseman.  If they aren't playing with the Leafs regularily, they should be playing big minutes with the Marlies.

Basically all of this. People generally only watch the puck, and Marincin is at his best when it's not on his stick and at his very worst when it is.

However, I would say Gardiner's gaffes have minimized more because the team around him actually keeps up with him now and provides useful outlets, rather than blowing the zone and leaving him to fend for himself against 3 forecheckers.


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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2017, 11:47:42 AM »
Marincin on waivers is an unfortunate set of circumstances, it's nobody's fault really.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2017, 11:51:26 AM »

Rosen at Leafs practice.  So my theory that it was just for flexibility over the next 30 days was off.  Marincin will either be claimed or assigned to the Marlies.  Considering the Leafs want to develop Dermott and Nielsen, he'll be fighting with Valiev for bottom pair minutes on the left side there.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2017, 11:54:23 AM »
The only reason I'd keep Marincin around is I don't really want Rosen or Dermott sitting in the press box to be the 7th defenseman.  If they aren't playing with the Leafs regularily, they should be playing big minutes with the Marlies.

Rosen and Borgman are both on two-way contracts, so their salary is about 13x bigger if they're in the NHL as opposed to the AHL. I don't necessarily think that the Leafs promised them NHL gigs at all, but maybe during the negotiations it was agreed that if they looked like NHL defencemen they wouldn't be shipped down in the event of a numbers game. So even if one was just the 7th best defenceman in the organization he'd stay up to ensure he collects a NHL paycheque.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2017, 12:08:12 PM »

Well, it's good he'll still be around in case Rosen or Borgman end up looking overwhelmed as the season goes on. Hopefully he builds up that confidence of his on the Marlies. He'd be a good partner for Liljegren I think.

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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2017, 12:13:47 PM »

Well, it's good he'll still be around in case Rosen or Borgman end up looking overwhelmed as the season goes on. Hopefully he builds up that confidence of his on the Marlies. He'd be a good partner for Liljegren I think.


Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.  If he can build some confidence down on the Marlies who knows, maybe he's able to come back to the Leafs.  I'm hoping the Leafs are good enough that they don't have to worry about that.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2017, 12:32:17 PM »
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2017, 12:56:06 PM »
I'm actually surprised that he cleared because he was, apparently, an analytics darling.

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2017, 12:57:26 PM »
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

Well, there's the ECHL.

I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible. 

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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2017, 01:04:55 PM »
I'm actually surprised that he cleared because he was, apparently, an analytics darling.
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Re: Marincin on waivers
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2017, 01:04:55 PM »