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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #855 on: February 28, 2018, 07:04:16 PM »
I think what I’m saying there is that game data is already being used rightly or wrongly to dictate players’ contracts. And the source of that data is largely subjective outside of goals. Assist credit, hits, etc are all hand logged by a variety of people. The biometrics don’t need to be involved in game tracking for event location data.

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« Reply #856 on: March 01, 2018, 02:35:26 AM »
So, whatever happened to the lost art of the slapshot?  Moreover, slapshot scoeing defencemen?   While for most teams in the league (including the Leafs) it has been reduced to a diminished form, there are a few teams that stand out from the rest, namely the Florida Panthers and the Nashville Predators.   While the Panthers are tops in the league in slapshot attempts, the Predators have set the mark for most slapshot goals with 24.  Mostly by way of their d-men.

(Note these are slightly older articles from earlier but very much relevant)
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16. Speaking of Nashville, in a league where the slapshot is going the way of the original iPod, the Predators are a bit of an outlier, especially on the power play. They have some legit bombers, most notably Subban and the recently returned Ryan Ellis... only Florida (451) had taken more slapshots than Nashville’s 401. Only Washington (33) and San Jose (29) had more slapshot goals than the Predators’ 28. With Ellis healthy, their numbers should climb.

“It’s about taking advantage of your players’ strengths,” head coach Peter Laviolette said. “They can get it through, get it on net.”

An inability to get it through is a reason many teams are giving up on it. Nashville is fortunate to have this skill set.

Justin Bourne lends credence to Friedman's comments by corroborating data & analytics to the above facts.  For those of us with a nostalgic fondness for that rare form of a slapshot nowadays,  the afterthought that it's become is unfortunately true.

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« Reply #857 on: March 01, 2018, 06:30:20 PM »
I think some players will inevitably fall out of favour as a result, but others will rise to take their place. Data is agnostic and its usage will be dependent on the capabilities of the decision makers as regular game data already is. Those with good ideas for what data is useful and conducive to success will flourish, and those with the wrong ideas will be confused.

I think you're missing (or are understating) the concern on this part. Data, when accurately collected and compiled is objective, yes. But, it's the usage of this data that would be a concern, particularly in contract negotiations. It can easily be spun in different directions. See any conspiracy skeptic-seeking theorist or alt-med atheist supporter.


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« Reply #858 on: March 01, 2018, 09:05:17 PM »
Boston is really really good.
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« Reply #859 on: March 01, 2018, 09:28:43 PM »
I think some players will inevitably fall out of favour as a result, but others will rise to take their place. Data is agnostic and its usage will be dependent on the capabilities of the decision makers as regular game data already is. Those with good ideas for what data is useful and conducive to success will flourish, and those with the wrong ideas will be confused.

I think you're missing (or are understating) the concern on this part. Data, when accurately collected and compiled is objective, yes. But, it's the usage of this data that would be a concern, particularly in contract negotiations. It can easily be spun in different directions. See any conspiracy skeptic-seeking theorist or alt-med atheist supporter.


Those darn atheists; always spinning data to push their deity-denying ways!

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« Reply #860 on: March 01, 2018, 10:01:50 PM »
Boston is really really good.

They're good, but a team playing 2 AHL goalies who look like they belong in the AHL will make any team look good.

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« Reply #861 on: March 01, 2018, 10:48:05 PM »
Boston is really really good.

I guess that's why the Leafs beat them 75% of the time.  8)

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« Reply #862 on: March 03, 2018, 06:36:31 AM »
Edmonton has been shut out 3 times in their last 25 games.   Taylor Hall has been shut out 0 times in his last 24 games.

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« Reply #863 on: March 04, 2018, 08:25:16 PM »
Florida has managed to make it in to a playoff spot and still has games at hand.
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« Reply #864 on: March 05, 2018, 09:43:46 AM »
Florida has managed to make it in to a playoff spot and still has games at hand.

They were bumped out again by the end of the night, but they're only 1 point out with 3 games in hand so they're in a good spot. That's a pretty remarkable run that they've made. The downside is we'll have to hear so much more about how Tallon's a genius even though this won't change the fact that his decisions in the offseason (specifically how he handled Vegas) were still incredibly dumb.

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« Reply #865 on: March 05, 2018, 09:46:39 AM »
Florida has managed to make it in to a playoff spot and still has games at hand.

They were bumped out again by the end of the night, but they're only 1 point out with 3 games in hand so they're in a good spot. That's a pretty remarkable run that they've made. The downside is we'll have to hear so much more about how Tallon's a genius even though this won't change the fact that his decisions in the offseason (specifically how he handled Vegas) were still incredibly dumb.

Barkov, Huberdeau, Ekblad (sort of), and Luongo (0.930 SV%) are stronger than anything Tallon can do to this team.

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« Reply #866 on: March 06, 2018, 10:36:20 AM »
Another injury to a key Bruin:


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« Reply #867 on: March 06, 2018, 10:56:07 AM »
The Islanders have essentially played themselves out of a playoff spot. They've lost 7 straight games.

Get outta there Johnny. Get out!

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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #868 on: March 06, 2018, 05:57:30 PM »
Evgeni Malkin has 25 goals and 25 assists in his past 30 games.

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« Reply #869 on: March 06, 2018, 08:16:51 PM »
Another injury to a key Bruin:


I think their top center is also out with injury.

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