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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2018, 11:12:40 PM »
I was listening to prime time the other day and the question was asked 'name a prime time ufa who signed their mega deal with a new team since the last cba' and they couldn't name one. I can't think of one either. These stars all seem to be resigning with their own teams. And I'm not talking Marleau level ufas. I'm talking these 7-8 year mega deals for the top echelon of players.

Parise and Suter would be the more recent ones, and those were just before this current CBA. I really don't think there's anyone who can really be considered a superstar since then.
Def considered stars when they left their teams and signed with Minnie...That's the last 2 I can remember.

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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2018, 11:39:42 AM »
Mirtle takes a stab at seeing what the salary cap implications are of adding Tavares.

https://theathletic.com/248317/2018/02/21/mirtle-could-the-maple-leafs-find-a-way-to-fit-john-tavares-under-the-cap/

Simply put, next year its no problem.  The year after that will be tight as we'll be paying quite a bit of money for Matthews-Tavares-Nylander-Marner plus Marleau and Kadri, leaving us very thin on the backend (Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott, Borgman, Liljegren, Carrick)

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His expected contract costs (per year)
Tavares @ $11M
Matthews @ $11.75M
Nylander @ $6.85M
Marner @ $7M

He has Glendenning in our lineup  :'(

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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2018, 11:46:02 AM »
He has Glendenning in our lineup  :'(

Yeah, I think it's pretty close to a sure-thing too. Especially since Gauthier looks like he dropped the ball in his audition.

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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2018, 12:06:35 PM »
Are you guys ready for the onslaught of media yammering about Tavares to Toronto? The Leafs host the Islanders this Thursday.


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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2018, 12:32:35 PM »
He has Glendenning in our lineup  :'(

Yeah, I think it's pretty close to a sure-thing too. Especially since Gauthier looks like he dropped the ball in his audition.
I really don't know a lot about this guy.  Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him. I get that his contact is too long and maybe half a mil too high, but what exactly is the issue with his play? The little I have heard makes him sound a bit like Komorov but a centre, younger and cheaper.

If it was something like Martin and a 4th for him would that be considered an OK trade? I doubt Detroit gets their asking price of a second rounder.

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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2018, 01:07:37 PM »
If the Leafs need a 4th line centre just in case Moore can't do it, they could always bring up Ben Smith as long as he stays on the 4th line. He's the captain of the Marlies is good on the pk and decent faceoff guy. Could even move Leo to centre and put Leivo on the wing. I think we have enough options internally. Now if they can trade Matt Martin for Glendenning, I'd probably do it.

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2018, 02:31:32 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2018, 02:33:31 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?

Seth Griffith  :(

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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2018, 02:34:57 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?

Seth Griffith  :(

Who?

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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2018, 03:31:04 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?

Seth Griffith  :(

Who?

To be fair, you didn't say fourth liner in the NHL.
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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2018, 03:34:15 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?

Seth Griffith  :(

Who?

To be fair, you didn't say fourth liner in the NHL.

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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2018, 08:11:20 PM »
Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him.

Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?
Sure, but fourth liners matter still. Is he a good fourth line/pk specialist with a bad contact or is he just a bad player?

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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2018, 08:24:28 PM »
Sure, but fourth liners matter still. Is he a good fourth line/pk specialist with a bad contact or is he just a bad player?

Oh for sure I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that generally speaking "traditionalists" love to say positive things about 4th liners who look like they're trying hard, regardless of if they're actually good NHLers. And by all accounts Glendening is not a good NHLer. Not even a good 4th liner. His numbers are roughly in line with someone like Ben Smith, and I think we can all agree that Smith isn't a NHLer.

You should easily be able to find someone who can provide his level of play or better for $1mil or less on a 1-year deal every summer, just like we did with Moore.

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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2018, 08:26:40 PM »
You should easily be able to find someone who can provide his level of play or better for $1mil or less on a 1-year deal every summer, just like we did with Moore.

Yeah. His contract is probably the biggest negative, considering the market for players of his ability. If the Wings retained 50%, it would be a palatable hit, but it would still be two seasons too long. If he was on an expiring deal, he might be an interesting depth addition (with a different coach, though).

He's a replaceable part - and relatively easy one at that - who the Wings and others have overvalued.
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« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2018, 09:58:51 AM »
This is my perspective - Brian Boyle is arguably the best 4th line centre in the league, and we got him last trade deadline for a 2nd round pick.

If Boyle is worth a 2nd, there's no chance Glendenning should be worth a 2nd - especially with that contract.

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« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2018, 09:58:51 AM »