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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1290 on: March 20, 2018, 01:32:06 PM »
What that might mean is giving up a draft pick for someone to pay Horton's deal.

Thankfully, the real dollars on Horton's deal drops off for the last two years (it'll be $8.1M total compared to $6M for this season), so, a team that's not concerned about cap space for a couple years and wants to add a pick or two might actually be willing to make that move.
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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1291 on: March 20, 2018, 01:38:13 PM »
Thankfully, the real dollars on Horton's deal drops off for the last two years (it'll be $8.1M total compared to $6M for this season), so, a team that's not concerned about cap space for a couple years and wants to add a pick or two might actually be willing to make that move.

The whole not being insured thing probably somewhat cancels out whatever extra value he has with his salary dropping a bit.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1292 on: March 20, 2018, 01:52:15 PM »
The whole not being insured thing probably somewhat cancels out whatever extra value he has with his salary dropping a bit.

Maybe. It will probably limit the market a little more, but, for the teams that might be interested, I'm not sure if it impacts the value they'd see in picking him up.
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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1293 on: March 20, 2018, 02:09:34 PM »
Thankfully, the real dollars on Horton's deal drops off for the last two years (it'll be $8.1M total compared to $6M for this season), so, a team that's not concerned about cap space for a couple years and wants to add a pick or two might actually be willing to make that move.

The whole not being insured thing probably somewhat cancels out whatever extra value he has with his salary dropping a bit.

Oh for sure.  That's real dollars the team will have to spend in order to obtain the assets the Leafs are willing to give up- not just 20% of it (most deals are insured for 80% of the salary).

Ultimately, I think 8.1M of real dollars is ALOT, and thus the assets we'd have to give up would potentially really hurt our asset pool.  Like multiple high-round picks (1st/2nd).

My strategy MIGHT be to hold on to Horton and keep those assets and wait and see what happens next year running with approx. 4-5M in Cap Space including Horton's contract (enough to cover Rookie Bonuses for Matthews, Marner, Borgman/Rosen so they don't carry over into 2019-2020).  Amazingly, we could still fit Tavares in and stay below that.

If the team looks like its a very serious contender (ie, Top 3 team in the league) and it doesn't look like Gardiner can be extended beyond next year then you shoot your shot:

1) Impact Deadline pickup
2) Offload Horton to balance the cap-sheet (ie stay 4-5M below Cap)

At that point, the acquiring team only has less than $5M left in actual salary to pay Horton so the asset parlay would be substantially lower.  Those assets you've saved by waiting to offload Horton can be used to get your Impact Deadline pickup.

If the team doesn't look like it is in the very serious contender conversation, Horton's contract doesn't hurt you in 2019-2020 as the Leafs will certainly be a max-cap team then and he'll be on LTIR.

Heck, if you can stay enough under the cap throughout the year next year (like 8-Million) you could still get a impact player at the deadline (only 25-30% of Cap Hit will accumulate) and still keep enough room to cover rookie bonuses so they don't carry into 2019-2020.


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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1294 on: March 20, 2018, 06:04:44 PM »
The whole not being insured thing probably somewhat cancels out whatever extra value he has with his salary dropping a bit.

Maybe. It will probably limit the market a little more, but, for the teams that might be interested, I'm not sure if it impacts the value they'd see in picking him up.

I honestly can't think that his contract is anything but a big liability to anyone at this point, and the Leafs would have to make the picks/prospects inclusion in the deal that it really wouldn't be worth it.  This is a pill the Leafs are going to have to swallow.

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« Reply #1295 on: March 20, 2018, 06:46:25 PM »
With most of the Atlantic now eliminated, it's time to get to counting down the team's magic number to clinch a playoff spot by looking at exactly the number of points won by the Leafs/lost by the other team to eliminate everyone else behind them in the conference standings.

Washington (1st in Metro): 21
Pittsburgh (2nd in Metro): 17
Florida: 15
Philly (3rd in Metro): 14
New Jersey (2nd Wildcard): 14
Columbus (1st Wildcard): 13
Carolina: 5
NYI: 4
NYR: 3

Once four of these teams have been officially scratched off, the Leafs clinch a playoff spot.

Update:

Washington (1st in Metro): 17
Pittsburgh (2nd in Metro): 15
Philly (3rd in Metro): 11
Columbus (1st Wildcard): 11
Florida: 11
New Jersey (2nd Wildcard): 10
Carolina: 1
NYI
NYR
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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1296 on: March 21, 2018, 02:29:07 PM »

Matthews skating with on an actual line now, a good indication that he'll be ready to return tomorrow. Ditto for Zaitsev.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1297 on: March 21, 2018, 05:32:40 PM »
That's great news, now when do we hope that Andersen is going to be ready to go?


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« Reply #1298 on: March 21, 2018, 10:11:26 PM »
That's great news, now when do we hope that Andersen is going to be ready to go?

 :) You are cold, man.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1299 on: March 22, 2018, 08:46:29 AM »
https://www.tsn.ca/talent/gm-meetings-notebook-no-push-to-change-hart-trophy-definition-1.1033995

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The Hart Trophy is awarded annually to the “player judged most valuable to his team,” though there is debate about whether it should be that of most valuable player or instead most outstanding player.

TSN informally polled some of the NHL’s most senior managers and none expressed any concern with the current definition. One politely abstained.

“I’m the wrong guy to ask,” Maple Leafs GM Lou Lamoriello said. “I think the MVP is the team.”


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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1300 on: March 22, 2018, 10:54:19 AM »

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« Reply #1301 on: March 22, 2018, 11:46:31 AM »
Something I'd like to see them try after tonight's game (mostly because Hainsey seems to have been overworked this season):

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev
Hainsey - Carrick

It will give Dermott more minutes (which I think he's ready for) without having him play the other teams top guys and drop Hainsey's 5v5 minutes.  We know he's still going to play most of a PK. 

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« Reply #1302 on: March 22, 2018, 11:47:49 AM »
Something I'd like to see them try after tonight's game (mostly because Hainsey seems to have been overworked this season):

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev
Hainsey - Carrick

It will give Dermott more minutes (which I think he's ready for) without having him play the other teams top guys and drop Hainsey's 5v5 minutes.  We know he's still going to play most of a PK. 

I'd even settle for Hainsey-Polak if it meant we got that top-4. It won't happen this season though.

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« Reply #1303 on: March 22, 2018, 01:04:25 PM »
I'd even settle for Hainsey-Polak if it meant we got that top-4. It won't happen this season though.

The only reason I'd hesitate to Hainsey-Polak is that there is no carrier option on that breakout. It'll be the Icecapades at best.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1304 on: March 22, 2018, 01:09:08 PM »
I'd even settle for Hainsey-Polak if it meant we got that top-4. It won't happen this season though.

The only reason I'd hesitate to Hainsey-Polak is that there is no carrier option on that breakout. It'll be the Icecapades at best.

Oh, sure, there's tons of reasons to not like that pairing.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #1304 on: March 22, 2018, 01:09:08 PM »